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These negative reviews got me all the more excited


Same thing happened with Lars von Trier's Antichrist and Gaspar Noe's Enter the Void. They were both screened in Cannes and people were walking out of the screenings and booing or laughing at the films. They both had mixed reviews. I watched them a few months later and had my mind blown to epic proportions.

Same thing is happening with Cosmopolis. Honestly, I got more excited when I heard that it's basically two hours of talky philosophical rubbish.

ENOUGH from the clown!!!!!!!!

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Here is an article from the WSJ that outlines the film's reception. I think they are spot on with regard to the appeal to mainstream audiences because, in the US, those audiences tend to have the attention span of a gnat. THis will require focus on the details and discussion. I, for one, am looking forward to the challenge.

Likewise, “Cosmopolis” is perhaps too lopsided to appeal to a mainstream audience but may titillate die-hard Cronenberg enthusiasts with a new vision of a dark uncertain world.


The full article is here:
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/05/26/robert-pattinson-starrer-cos mopolis-gets-mixed-cannes-reception/?mod=google_news_blog

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Here is an article from the WSJ that outlines the film's reception. I think they are spot on with regard to the appeal to mainstream audiences because, in the US, those audiences tend to have the attention span of a gnat. THis will require focus on the details and discussion. I, for one, am looking forward to the challenge.


To generalise audiences in the US as those with the attention spans of a gnat because some despised it is quite ignorant and narrow-minded of you, and I'm not even a US citizen.

It's received UNIVERSAL negative criticism in case you didn't know or want to realise.

I've seen plenty of reviews from France, Germany, the UK, Italy, etc. which have panned it for the pretentious schlock that it is which many Pattinson and Cosmopolis fans can't accept apparently...

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The top 3 French papers (Le Monde, Libération, Le Figaro) and respected magazines like Les Cahiers du Cinéma (the cream of film magazines and an institution), Télérama and Les Inrockuptibles all gave Cosmopolis excellent reviews, Première magazine too. They all praised Robert Pattinson. And I am French, so I know what I am talking about.

Rob: 8 times on French news programmes.

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RollingStone Italy gave Cosmopolis 5/5 stars..

http://www.rollingstonemagazine.it/cultura/recensioni/cosmopolis/53452

that's "UNIVERSAL negative criticism" at it's best, eh


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And here is a spreadsheet of the reviews from Cannes, after 31 reviews, Cosmopolis has a score of 7.45 out of 10-- that's very good, not negative. It's in the top 5 out of the 20 in competition.
Current tally:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmdgVGA_rtJzdHhmRmRtejhte Gs1V0NiWVJhTWJOUlE#gid=0

1 "HOLY MOTORS(Leos Carax)"
2 "IN ANOTHER COUNTRY(Hong Sangsoo)"
3 "LIKE SOMEONE IN LOVE(Abbas Kiarostami)"
4 "MOONRISE KINGDOM(Wes Anderson)"
5 "COSMOPOLIS(David Cronenberg)"
6 "AMOUR (Michael Haneke)"
7 "YOU HAVE SEEN NOTHING YET(Alain Resnais)"
8 "MUD (Jeff Nichols)"
9 "IN THE FOG (Sergei Loznitsa)"
10 "BEYOND THE HILLS(Cristian Mungiu)"
11 "PARADISE : Love(Ulrich Seidl)"
12 "KILLING THEM SOFTLY(Andrew Dominik)"
13 "REALITY(Matteo Garrone)"
14 "POST TENEBRAS LUX(Carlos Reygadas)"
15 "LAWLESS(John Hillcoat)"
16 "RUST AND BONE (Jacques Audiard)"
17 "AFTER THE BATTLE(Yousry Nasrallah)"
18 "THE ANGELS' SHARE(Ken Loach)"
19 "THE HUNT(Thomas Vinterberg)"
20 "ON THE ROAD(Walter Salles)"
21 "TASTE OF MONEY(Im Sangsoo)"
22 "THE PAPERBOY(Lee Daniels)"


Both Cosmopolis trailers: http://ow.ly/1iTyiC
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S. Benson, Shelf Elf ‏@bombsfall
Looper is one of those movies you think about the next day and say "Oh geez. With hindsight, that wasn't all that great..."

S. Benson, Shelf Elf ‏@bombsfall
Whereas Cosmopolis is actually better upon reflection. Also great soundtrack.
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Slant Magazine's Top 25 Films of 2012!

13. Cosmopolis. In the end, it’s mere gravy that David Cronenberg’s Cosmopolis unfolds in a world that eerily, and almost blatantly, reflects our modern headlines, its Occupy themes and global-capital woes perpetually looming. What’s truly depicted in this gorgeous adaptation of Don DeLillo’s prescient 2003 novel is the whittling down of the poster boy of individual, millennial anxieties, sparked by the deadly, rampant elixir of privilege, apathy, and telecommuting.

From his rolling command center of a white limousine, the WiFi hot spot of the obscenely rich, billionaire Eric Packer (a revelatory Robert Pattinson) is at once linked up to the world and maddeningly removed from it, his personal, untried revolving door granting equal access to wisdom and delusion, personified by the limo’s parade of guests. Evoking its director’s past aesthetics and bodily interests with cool restraint, Cosmopolis is a wry, stylish nightmare of contemporary disconnect, and an audacious charting of all that crumbles when reality seeps in.

With much dialogue lifted verbatim from DeLillo’s text, the film’s dizzying verbosity may be challenging to swallow, but in a cinematic year teeming with lone protagonists clawing for ways to survive, it has more to say—and to mull over—than maybe 100 movies.

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Well I am a US citizen so I can form an opinion based on experience. I am willing to acknowledge the negatives that Cosmopolis has received are you willing to acknowledge the positives? Most of the major French publications, in the UK also, in the US, Variety, Playlist, Indiewire, numerous European publications, etc. There are many more. It is obviously a divisive film, so recognize that. Your incessant harping about your disappointment is tiring. I don't have an issue with your opinion, but, don't degrade others who disagree with you.

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Do you only focus on the negatives of everything and ignore all the positives? Because that's what you're doing here. We can all read. We can read the good reviews as well as the bad, can you?

Maybe you just haven't looked. Try here. It's a spreadsheet of the films reviewed at Cannes. Cosmopolis is rated 7.5 out of 10--it's in the top five of the 20. So it didn't universally get only bad reviews, did it?
Current tally:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmdgVGA_rtJzdHhmRmRtejhte Gs1V0NiWVJhTWJOUlE#gid=0

1 "HOLY MOTORS(Leos Carax)"
2 "IN ANOTHER COUNTRY(Hong Sangsoo)"
3 "LIKE SOMEONE IN LOVE(Abbas Kiarostami)"
4 "MOONRISE KINGDOM(Wes Anderson)"
5 "COSMOPOLIS(David Cronenberg)"
6 "AMOUR (Michael Haneke)"
7 "YOU HAVE SEEN NOTHING YET(Alain Resnais)"
8 "MUD (Jeff Nichols)"
9 "IN THE FOG (Sergei Loznitsa)"
10 "BEYOND THE HILLS(Cristian Mungiu)"
11 "PARADISE : Love(Ulrich Seidl)"
12 "KILLING THEM SOFTLY(Andrew Dominik)"
13 "REALITY(Matteo Garrone)"
14 "POST TENEBRAS LUX(Carlos Reygadas)"
15 "LAWLESS(John Hillcoat)"
16 "RUST AND BONE (Jacques Audiard)"
17 "AFTER THE BATTLE(Yousry Nasrallah)"
18 "THE ANGELS' SHARE(Ken Loach)"
19 "THE HUNT(Thomas Vinterberg)"
20 "ON THE ROAD(Walter Salles)"
21 "TASTE OF MONEY(Im Sangsoo)"
22 "THE PAPERBOY(Lee Daniels)"

Both Cosmopolis trailers: http://ow.ly/1iTyiC
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Curzon, do I see it well that Cosmopolis got better reviews than Amour? I'm pleasantly surprised to see it that high on the list, but I daren't believe it yet :)

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Cosmopolis is being featured on Netflix as one of the top 20 indies of last year.
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“He’s an egomaniac who wants to see some kind of spirituality in his egomania. It’s kind of like how actors feel about themselves.”
— Robert Pattinson (On Eric Packer)

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http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/arts-and-culture/cover-story/1918862 91.html

Best Adapted Screenplay
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What should have won overall: David Cronenberg’s script for Cosmopolis makes great a so-so Don DeLillo novel, although its real power emerged when the actors came to speak their lines. Who knew Robert Pattinson was put on earth to deliver overly-stylized DeLillo dialogue?

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Matt Pritchard ‏@mattpritcha2
Cosmopolis definitely doesn't deserve the *beep* reviews it's got on IMDB. Big film upto now.

David Sandoval ‏@davidzendoval
Weird yet very interesting movie ★ Cosmopolis

Joseph McDonagh ‏@JoeMcDonaghFilm
I love that after spending most of Cosmopolis cruising around in a limo, Robert Pattinson is a limo driver in the next Cronenberg film.

James Blake Ewing ‏@cinemasights
The other day I was marveling in my mind about how superb COSMOPOLIS is. Might be my favorite Cronenberg after eXistenZ.

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Cosmopolis was on many TOP 10 lists in 2012. Here is a link to the Cosmopolis Fan site
that has a compilation of all the lists (with links to each critic site).

http://cosmopolisfilm.com/2013/01/01/cosmopolis-is-making-a-statement-compilation-of-the-best-of-2012-lists/

BEST FILM RANKINGS

The Cinephiliacs/Peter Labuza: Number 1 film of 2012!
Cinemart: Number 1 Film of 2012!
City Connect: Number 1 Film of 2012! “I know this is going to raise a few eyebrows, but I can explain. Yes, the dialogue is strange – that’s why it’s the best written movie of the year. And yes, it makes no attempt to emotionally engage with the audience – but that’s the point. Cronenberg is presenting to us an uncomfortably realistic vision of the future, where capitalism leaves us as emotionless unsatisfied vampires. It’s proved to be a little too distant and unattached for some people, but for me it was a work of sheer brilliance.”
Art Forum/Amy Taubin: Number 1 film of 2012!
San Francisco Bay Guardian: Number 1 film of 2012!
Cahiers Du Cinema: 2nd out of 10
The Password is a Swordfish: 2nd out of 10
Huffington Post: 2nd out of 10
Out 1: 2nd out of 13
The Film Stage: 3rd out of 10
Philadelphia Weekly: 3rd out of 10
Film Capsule: 3rd out of 10 – “Cosmopolis is a slow, maddening descent into the hollow center of modern America, a vain search for meaning in an age of endless, pulsating data, and a trip across town to get a haircut. In other words, Don DeLillo’s heady novel is perfect material for director David Cronenberg, who has long proven adept and unusually insightful at making our technological fetishes grotesquely literal.”


https://twitter.com/Robseve/status/351191752335572992/photo/1

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It opened well:

Robert Pattinson's Cosmopolis Comes Up Big at Box Office

by Joal Ryan Today 10:04 AM PDT
Robert Pattinson and the late Whitney Houston were among the bright spots in a sluggish late-summer box office.

The Sylvester Stallone-led The Expendables 2 led all films with an estimated Friday-Sunday take of $28.8 million.

Cosmopolis, Pattinson's venture with cult director David Cronenberg, came away the weekend's biggest per-screen average, while Houston's Sparkle looked solid with a $12 million debut.
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I'm glad you're interested in the fact that Cosmopolis is not an easy film and it's more challenging for the audience, but let's not go wild here. I haven't heard of anyone booing--in fact, at the premiere, it got a 15 minute standing ovation, the longest of any film at the festival this year. That audience loved it. Since I loved the way the book was written, I'm really looking forward to seeing it on screen.

I think the reviewers who haven't liked the film didn't like the book to begin with, and that fact that it's such a faithful adaptation is annoying to them. They must be fans of more action, less dialog.

The Paperboy on the other hand, they were booing that, and it got dreadful reviews across the board. So gear up for that one, too.

Both Cosmopolis trailers: http://ow.ly/1iTyiC
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I ordered the novel two weeks ago but it still hasn't arrived. Can't wait to read it though. Judging from what he did with Crash and Naked Lunch I believe Cronenberg is the right man for the job.

I'm not watching the Paperboy. It looks even worse than Precious, which I couldn't stand. I'm more into daring movies.

ENOUGH from the clown!!!!!!!!

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I hope you'll enjoy the book, it's a difficult read, but it hooked me and I've read it 4 times. I truly enjoyed the movie for being so faithful to the book but still changed some scenes, left others out, from a cinematical POV.
There are a lot of dialogues though, in the book and in the movie. It isn't that action packed.

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I finally received the book but haven't started reading it yet. I've got to finish the last few chapters of Thompson's Fear and Loathing first.

I don't mind lots of talking in movies. I heard DeLillo's dialogues are quite dense but stylized and that Cronenberg uses a lot of them in the movie.

ENOUGH from the clown!!!!!!!!

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One thing I have learned from reviews.. we all have our own opinions. But I think it is time for a movie like this. We are bombarded with teen movies and chic flicks, action heroes galore, it's time for a smart, fast, gory, movie. Just a funny note....this is the kind of movie my son, 20 and in the army will love, he can take his girl friend that dragged him to all the Twilight movies to get back at her. I can't wait to see it!

No candy coating here

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If you expect the film to be fast and gory you are going to end up massively disappointed. As for smart I am not sure what you mean by it, but if you intend intellectually challenging there is enough to keep your mind challenged if you wish.

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It seems popular on Twitter:
Toeknee @tonirosesansom
Cosmopolis: meeean script, intellectually liberating. Futuristic mise en scene with elements of overcrowd. Many themes; sex, numbers & death

gZa @The_gZa
COSMOPOLIS - Cronenberg's most surreal film since Naked Lunch. Imagine a Lynch take on American Psycho set mainly in the back of a limo. 4/5

Francis Walker @FerreiraWalker
Cosmopolis is a hell of a movie!

Taly @taly_lev
#Cosmopolis is so unusual, not easy-to-understand movie, but i liked it, actors were amazing, i'm still overthinking everything

Jeremy Piper @JeremyPiper
DeLillo's Cosmopolis is a remarkable novel both for its prescience and it's strange picaresque style. Can Cronenberg's film do it justice?

Lucky @LuckyStar815
So, Cosmopolis... BRAVO! One of those rare occasions when I loved the book but still enjoyed the movie.

Cosmopolis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwehC_EuN-k
http://ow.ly/1iTyiC

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Britt Hayes, Esq.‏@MissBrittHayes
Just received a Cosmopolis screening invite and whispered "Yessss. Yessssss" like a cartoon villain.

simonsaybrams‏@simonsaybrams
Um, I think I was just asked if I could be pullquoted for one of my favorite movies of the year, you guys. :)

Donald G. Carder‏@theangrymick
@simonsaybrams Woot! Congratulations, big guy!

simonsaybrams‏@simonsaybrams
@theangrymick It's for COSMOPOLIS! Gonna come off like a himbo but still: "Extraordinary!" -Village Voice- Dat's me! I'm that adjective!

Scott Weinberg‏@scottEweinberg
Every time I see the word "Cosmopolis," my brain reads it like the Duran Duran song "Notorious." #coz #coz #cosmopolis

Cosmopolis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwehC_EuN-k
http://ow.ly/1iTyiC

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The Playlist reacts to the trailer:

...Cronenberg's next, the Don DeLillo adaptation "Cosmopolis," has arrived, and it looks like classic Cronenberg stuff. Following a twentysomething billionaire, who fears he's going to be murdered, as he travels through Manhattan in a limo on the worst traffic day in record, the film's been getting more attention than the filmmaker's used to, seeing as it stars "Twilight" star Robert Pattinson, who, for certain demographics, is one of the biggest hearthrobs to hit the big screen in a long time.

But that attention doesn't seem to have made Cronenberg water things down -- the brief, French-subtitled clip (which seems a little reminiscent of "Enter The Void" in its neon-inflected marketing) has sex, violence, body horror and bizarre images.

It looks, to be frank, absolutely brilliant, and it's certainly dampened any doubts we might have had for the time being. And R-Patz? Damned if he doesn't look, in the very brief glimpses, right at home. Could all the doubters about to be proved wrong with a terrific performance?
That being said, we'd said the same about "Bel Ami," and that did not turn out well... All signs point to a Cannes premiere for the film, which will open in France on May 23rd: there's no U.S. distributor or release date just yet, but it can't be too far away.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/watch-first-teaser-for-david-cr onenbergs-cosmopolis-with-twilight-star-robert-pattinson-is-seriously- impressive?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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So did you watch it finally, and what did you think? I'm normally review-neutral when it comes to my curiosity of a film, preferring to use the movie itself as my guide rather than others' perceptions of it.

As for this one, I think it has a few moments of insight buried under an avalanche of lectures. I could see this as a stage play, but it didn't completely work for me as a film. 6/10 stars from me.

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