Question About S1 E1 (Spoiler Alert!)
How did the evil cabbie manage to pick the right pill four times? Or how did he manipulate the victims into choosing the wrong one?
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Moriarty wanted to establish if Sherlock was at his level ,intellectually superior so he set up this game ,test ,” experiment “.
a. he wanted to see if Sherlock could find the murderer and
b. he wanted to see if he would pass the test and chose the harmless sugar pill..
The cabbie was willing to go with the game because he knew death was imminent and if he accepted he could earn some money for his family.
I’m inclined to believe what the cabbie was telling the truth and that only one pill contained poison .
Moriarty made the list of the potential victims and supplied the cabbie with important intel that he could use against them.
The cabbie obviously couldn’t keep the hostages at gun point while he was driving the cab, so at some point of the run he must have threatened them verbally to make sure they didn’t try to jump out .
Sherlock followed willingly because he was curious to see exactly what happened to the victims once they were abducted.
Due to his job ,the cabbie driver had a life time experience dealing with people and furthermore Moriarty gave him useful data about the abducted that he used to make them doubt themselves and make them re-choose had they chosen the sugar pill . Remember they were under extreme pressure too.
The cabbie was very confident in his skill of persuasion and every time he pulled it off made him more convinced that he was kind of “gifted “.
I think it was a big psychological , manipulative game . In Sherlock’s case he uses the only thing that would have induced the detective to participate…Sherlock gets bored easily, he needs constant stimulating challenges to feel alive (information Moriarty tipped the cabbie off with) and when he pointed out to Sherlock that that was exactly what the game offered , he decided to play.
to be continued...
Personally, I think Sherlock took the wrong pill , the cabbie driver was not fazed at all.…had Watson not shot the cabbie , Sherlock would have taken the poisoned pill and died . Moriarty would have deemed Sherlock not worthy of his time and moved on.
The first three victims were easy “game “ for the cabbie.
Two adulterers and a teenager…… they would have been scared , in panic and easy to manipulate .The cabbie driver had the upper hand with them.
Sherlock was a harder subject ....Initially , he didn’t bite but when the cabbie use Sherlock’s Achilles heel he too finished up playing.
PS. Had Sherlock taken the correct pill I’m convinced that the cabbie driver would have swallowed the poison one.... he was up for murder and dying of cancer ....better a quick death , than a painful one.
Wow! Thank you so very much!
You are obviously one very astute Sherlock fan! You answered all my questions, and your answers are very logical.
And I agree that Sherlock picked the wrong one, so thank goodness for Dr. Watson! (He is human after all, sort of.) What a great series. I hope they make some more.
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Not being a fan of Benedict Cumberbatch I also came late to the party .
I binge watched the series only a couple of months ago and I really loved it.
The only film I have ever watched based on Sir. CD 's character was about 20 years ago : "The Seven Percent Solution (1976)..I liked it so I bought a book on the life of the writer .
That 's it.
After watching Trainspotting ( Sick Boy ,played by Jonny Lee Miller , is my favourite character ) I decided to binge watch "Elementary" .
I came aware that there was a dispute between fans of the two series and I decided to watch "Sherlock" to see which one held up best for me , seeing they are both set in modern times which I fancy.
At the end of the day , mine is only one point of view among several others but I'm happy it was of help to you. 😄
I've never seen "The Seven Percent Solution", and I don't think I missed much. It's rated a mediocre 6.8 on IMDB,
and got mixed reviews. One reviewer, Dennis Oz, gave it a C- and said it was "a mess", and "90% flawed". Ouch.
I tried to watch "Elementary", but I could only understand about one word in three from Johnny Lee Miller who plays Sherlock. So I gave up. It might be a good series, but I will never know.
I absolutely LOVED "Sherlock" and could actually understand about 90% of what they said. I also LOVE Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman. They're two of my favorite actors. I hope they make some more.
Which one did you like better?
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I don’t look to ratings , nor do I read what critics have to say. ..if the plot interests me , I’ll give it a go and judge for myself.
Jonny provided a perfect Scottish accent in "Trainspotting" and at times I couldn’t understand certain words but I didn’t have problems with his accent in “Elementary “. Have you tried the subtitle option.?
Both series have interesting elements .
I liked the initial set up in “Elementary” . Sherlock being an ex druggie trying to get back on track. I like the idea that his sober companion is Watson and that the writers made her female. Adler is a complexed character with a huge secret .
There is great chemistry between Sherlock and Watson in the English series. It also has a very strong supporting cast starting with Gatiss’ Mycroft and the seductive Adler . Molly is adorable along with Hudson and Lestrade.
The only two characters I don’t like are Moriarty and Mary .The former is not convincing enough and the latter I just find boring as a character.
Sherlock’s parents ,who love him , have a very minor part in "Sherlock" while in “Elementary” Sherlock’s father is a recurrent character.
Sherlock harbours bitterness towards his father , the reasons are revealed during the series . I enjoy family conflicts and that’s why I loved the fourth season of “Sherlock” which focuses around his fallout with Watson (which he considers family ) and dark family secrets .
One point I really perfer between the two shows is that Cumberbatch's Sherlock is virgin. In "Elementary" Sherlock sleeps with random women and ......
Adler's sexy ringtone is a great gimmick and the "password" was smart .
If you really like Cumberbatch I recommend the 5 part series "Patrick Melrose " . Benedict's performance is Emmy worthy , in my opinion.
An independent think. Excellent. I'm not a slave to ratings, but I use them as a general guide to determine which films I'm willing to take a chance on. And, like you, if the subject matter interests me, I'll go forth and ignore the ratings.
I did not like Trainspotting. It's an excellent movie, but too gross (especially the "toilet dive" sequence), too grim, and too depressing. It falls into the same category as Requiem For A Dream.
I did see Patrick Melrose, and loved it. And if Cumberbatch doesn't get an Emmy, the fix is obviously in.
He's my new favorite actor.
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I saw "Trainspotting" last Feb/March cause a poster on another board brought up the "Choose Life" monologue. I didn't have a clue what he was talking about so he explained and I checked it out.
The toilet scene is gross but there is another one which involves Spud and dirty bedsheets ...that's worse .😱
I really like a lot of conflict .
My favourite films are "Wuthering Heights " the original with Sir Laurence Olivier and Hamlet.
I love sad endings.
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Q.Back on IMDB, my signature was "Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar, and doesn't."
@I looked this up ...it's suppose to be a joke but I find it more of a riddle.
I'm not good at either but it is original 😑.
Watching "Sherlock" I also realised that Cumberbatch is a brilliant actor .
I have caught up with some of his earlier works.He excels in historical period films.
"To The Ends Of The Earth"(2005)
"The Last Enemy" (2008)
"Van Gogh : Painted With Words" (2010) a beautiful doc/film ..I wrote a comment on the thread.
"Wreckers" (2011)
"Parade's End" (2012)
"The Imitation Game" (2014)
"The Hollow Crown" (2016)
I noticed that Benedict has a long list of on-coming productions 😋
To finish on a different note : have you seen "Endeavour".. I binge watched this interesting detective series about 6 weeks ago .. A great English production set in the '60.
Schrodinger's Cat is a thought experiment sometimes described as a paradox, devised by Austrian physicist Erwin Schrodinger in 1935
http://www.iflscience.com/physics/schr%C3%B6dinger%E2%80%99s-cat-explained/
Of course my usage of it is a joke.
I have not seen "Endeavor", but I see that it's rated 8.6 on IMDB, so obviously it's an excellent series.
The only problem is that there have been six seasons, and for me that's too many to try and watch.
But thanks for the recommendation.
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Thanks for the link ..the reddit one I found was not as clear and thorough.
When I read your signature the first time I couldn't help thinking of " Dead Man Walking" 😋
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Actually, 5 seasons ..the sixth is in the making .
The first 4 seasons have only 4 episodes and each episode is 90 minutes .. This allows for more complex plots and above all lots of character development in each episode.
Only season 5 has 6 episodes of 90 minutes each.
So actually "Endeavour " totals 33 episodes of an hour which is less that two seasons of Criminal Intent or any other American cop series.
The series plays in the city of Oxford..besides many college locations within the famous Oxford University , many scenes have been filmed in the heart of the old city , in historical pubs and hotels.
"Endeavour " : first name of the main character , is at the beginning of his career . Seasoned DI Thursday takes him under his wing as he can see the making of a brilliant detective .
While Sherlock uses deduction , Endeavour often starts off with an intuition followed by random connections which he follows to see where they lead .
There are similarities though..both are bachelors ; Sherlock by choice while Endeavour would like to have a woman in his life but all his efforts fall short in the end.
Endeavour loves opera and the writers have made this an significant part of some of the plots .
PS : can you tell me how you made your link active?
Schrodinger's Cat made you think of "Dead Man Walking"?
Thanks for the further details on "Endeavor". It sounds interesting, so I might give it a whirl. But 33 episodes..... The fact that it's in Oxford is a definite plus. I visited there in 2016, and found it to be a fascinating town.
To make a link active, before the link you place [url]
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Inconceivable!
sharePeople get manipulated into doing things every day .
For example : an experienced saleswoman/man can convince a reluctant client that the dress she is trying on looks great when in reality it doesn't .
I believe Moriarty hand picked the victims and tipped off the cabbie on their weak spots ..this gave him the upper hand and control of the "game".
The first three were easy targets for the cabbie ..ultimately just "bait" to get Sherlock 's attention.
Naturally , you can think otherwise and believe the whole set up was inconceivable .
lol. At 50/50 odds, surviving 4 times in a row isn't outside the realm of possibility at all even without any manipulation. I was actually just making reference to a movie that had a similar "We both take something that could be poisoned and see who survives" scenario. The villain was always exclaiming "Inconceivable", so it just amused me to insert that into this thread.
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That also reminded me of "The Princess Bride", moon. The villain Vizzini, played by Wallace Shawn, was indeed fond of that term, and it was one of the running jokes.
BTW, he recently did some guest shots on "Young Sheldon", playing a nerdy Professor who is courting Sheldon's "Memaw".
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Unfortunately I 'm not familiar with the film you are referring to , so I missed the connection..
My bad .. Thanks for the explanation.👍
I like your analysis much better, sunshine. I think you nailed it, and answered all my questions and concerns.
Thanks again, and if I have trouble with another series I'll put out the "Bat Signal" for you!
BTW, as the old saying goes, "The Salesman's job begins when the client says No." That's what the cabbie was in essence, a salesman.
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by MovieManChin:
BTW, as the old saying goes, "The Salesman's job begins when the client says No." That's what the cabbie was in essence, a salesman.
This expression is new on me .. But you 're right it describes the cabbie to the T. 😎
The emoji with the sunglasses is one of my favourite .. I see you use it as your closing signature.
Thanks, I like it too. It gives my posts a certain flair imho, and it makes it easy for me to find my post in a long string of them.
Back on IMDB, my signature was "Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar, and doesn't."
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