Not that good?


Really, aside from some decent animation (which wasn't amazing or groundbreaking), this just wasn't that good. The characters are mostly tired stereotypes (didn't Evangelion skewer the whole "shy boy rises to the occasion and gets the cute girl" trope with such excellent precision that no one could do it again with any respectability), the emotions seemed contrived, the over-dependency on technology theme has been done to death with way more complexity and grace, and the lazy anti-Americanism was both offensive and confusing.

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What anti-Americanism? I guess it must have been lazy because I didn't notice it.

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I just don't expect to see terrible Hollywood-esque clichés like making the US military the incompetent, behind the scenes villain in a high concept anime film-lazy

If there was some kind of decipherable criticism being levied at US foreign policy than I might have some appreciation for this choice (assuming he considered and acknowledged the complexities of America's global position). As it is, the movie doesn't appear to be saying anything in particular, and thus, from the audience's perspective, it just comes off like Mamoru arbitrarily chose to put the US military in that roll because... he dislikes the US military? he dislikes Japanese US relations? he doesn't think young Japanese should travel to America? he thinks the US might actually do something so random and strange? He could have chosen a more politically neutral secondary antagonist (international cyber-terrorists, a large criminal organization) without ruining the boring and wholesome message about family and real human connections, but no, he made a clear point to make it the US government yet never even hints at why. Therefore, I found it confusing and offensive.

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haha well since the usa has the most active military, and in general are seen as responsible for many bad things, i'd say it made perfect sense. " canadian military releases evil AI into the super network! " haha nope, just not quite the same.

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You've essentially articulated my point, the movies falls back on a tired cliché based off an offensive and unfair stereotype (China, France, and The UK all have active militaries, not to mention the complicated military alliance the US and Japan have with each other), simply because it's easy. Lazy storytelling.

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why not hate on the US, they're more than deserving. appropriate storytelling.

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Just because the movie caters to your personal bigotry doesn't mean there's any good writing on display.

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@ rcmoore1:
On the other hand, one could say you have your own obvious bias.
Trust me, those outside of the US would probably find this more accurate than bigotry. But if you don't want to take a critical look at the US military's actions (both good AND bad), that's fine. Just don't be surprised if others do.

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You're strawmaning all over the place here. I've made it clear that I don't mind if people criticize the US military or any US policies, just so long as those criticisms are coherent and intelligent. The way it was done in this film was vague, simplistic and felt like a cheap Hollywood-esque cliché.

Then again, the whole film is a collection of tired anime clichés and has very populist themes and ideas. I can see why it did so well in Japan. It has the generic and wholesome nature that most anime films that see financial success in Japan have. That's usually because those films are standalone feature length versions of family friendly primetime shows that get the highest ratings. That's what makes this so frustrating, it presents itself as an artistically charged high concept anime film, but doesn't succeed on that level at all.

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Have you ever watched "The Terminator" or any of its sequels?

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Yes I have, why do you ask? In case you're wondering, I'm not a big fan of the movie. In fact, I don't really enjoy any of James Cameron's films.

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They just inverted and utilized the same clichés and stereotypes that Hollywood has been feeding its audiences for decades now. Which is exactly what's wrong about this movie. For others this is exactly what they want to see, so they have to cater for their audiences.

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What exactly do you mean by Anime cliche?
Can I call American animation cliche when it let the good win, when the character faces a problem, when the main character is not exactly the most perfect being on this world?
For every form of storytelling, there is a language to it, you can't just be 'different'.
Summer Wars was a success because it was a good film, and trust me when I tell you that the people in Japan had seen enough good anime/animation to know what is good and what is not.
When compared to some of the biggest animation movies in other countries, Summer Wars is actually extraordinarily unique and provides a whole new experience.

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This movie just made no sense. Nuclear power plants are about to blow up. Let's play some baseball!

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Yeah. I think the stupidest part was when that douchy cousin stole all the ice that they were using to SAVE THE WORLD, so he could cool a rotting corpse. The OZ scenes were pretty cool though. King Kazma rocked. Too bad that was only about 10% of the movie. The poster art is misleading. It should really just be a picture of that Goofy-toothed Granny, but then no one would watch it.

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I thought it was stupid when that fatass woman was watching Baseball while everyone else is either mourning or desperately trying to save the world >_>

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That was her son. She couldn't be there in-person, so she watched it televised.

Still, she reminds me a lot of my uncle...

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Actually, that instance looks pretty believable to me. It represents the fact that even if there is some global event happening on the Internet, many people in the outside world would not get informed and simply wouldn't care.

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Um, I'm glad I'm not the only one who said "wtf" when I finished the movie. Yeah, I agree, it didn't make any damn sense! I caught the racism...didn't bother me much, but I still picked up on it. The plot was ridiculous. I think most people who enjoy this movie are illusioned by the eye-catching animation (which utilizes a ton of animation shortcuts, but colorful and talented nonetheless). To be honest, I was drawn in towards the beginning of the movie, but towards the end I was like "where is this going?!" and was not happy with the results. :/ Lots of unanswered questions too...not that I really care enough to have them answered.
Saw Tokyo Godfathers last night. That movie by far trumps this one.

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Racism? What racism? What unanswered questions? You say they don't bother you but yet you complain about them being a flaw in the movie, so obviously you do care to have them answered.

Anyway, I think the guy who took away the ice to cool the body pretty much did that because lack of communication was very prevalent in that family and one of the film's biggest themes about the irony on being in a world where everything and everyone is so connected, yet you cannot really speak to the person next to you. Great film, how was this ignored by The Academy Awards is beyond me.

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Wasn't the story that Wabisuke went to America to become rich and successful? That would go towards explaining his selling of Love Machine to the US military. That, and his impetuousness.

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That really doesn't explain why the US military would test a high tech virus into the OZ. It just didn't make any sense from any point of view.

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Yeah, it wasn't nearly as good as I expected. Too many "dumb" anime moments when I was trying to take the film's material seriously. And it's all America's fault! lol

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Indeed, besides the same tiresome stereotypes, it's just visual noise, didn't enjoy it much.

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Like many films, no matter how good it is, if you watch it wanting things it isn't trying to deliver on, you will be unsatisfied with it, and maybe even see it as a poorly made film. Don't listen to Skrillex if you want a sweet love ballad, etc.

For me, this film was obviously putting the family and connected characters at center stage, and all world-scale events were peripheral plot-candy to make character development more exciting and entertaining. That is why I believe those plot points can be perceived as lazily explained. To me it would be like criticizing how superficial and two dimensional Neo and Trinity's relationship was shown to develop; it simply was not the focus of the Matrix Trilogy to be primarily a love story, so they skipped a lot of moments that would have let us experience a natural and emotionally moving experience regarding their relationship. If you watched The Matrix hoping for a love story, you'd be talking about how cliche and lazy they were with their rapport building and getting them together, but all reviewers I know have ignored those particular cliches in the Matrix Trilogy because they know the film's really not primarily trying to deliver on romance, it's just something that helps fill out the characters and story.

All that's to say that I believe this to be a film for family first, and all other things second. I watched this with my wife and 3 kids, and we all enjoyed it thoroughly, because not only was it okay and entertaining for the kids to watch, it tackled some very enjoyable concepts and created believable enough interactions to keep us adults wanting to see where the characters were going. I laughed out loud several times at some of the family situations because they were done so well. I can assure anyone that if you want an engrossing, entertaining, and clever family film, you will not be disappointed by this one.

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Not only was Summer Wars advertised misleadingly, I got a stupid family drama instead of a cool, colorful techie oriented story it was Anti- American, isolationist, RACIST, and anti-feminist.

The anti-Americanism aside, as others have covered it all too well. WTF was the issue with presenting Wabisuke as some kind of traitor because how dare he leave the motherland to make money for his family in America. Like his female relatives said, " WHO does that?!"
What the hell ever.
And then he gets attacked by his b!tchy grandma with a spear for confessing about his role in Love Machine's creation. Why not try to make him see the error of his ways and convince him to disable the AI? It seemed that Grandma was more concerned about honor killing Wabisuke out of shame and anger.

And why does Love Machine have dark skin and a distinctly Thai/South East Asian design? What, Japan was not content with taking a dump on America that it had to pander to its own obvious xenophobia and bigotry towards other Asian peoples?

And lastly, what the hell is up with the portrayal of the women in the family? The Old Lady Fart's entire life was dedicated to her family and putting up with her adulterous (deceased) husband as opposed to actually leaving the home, learning a trade, and being an example to bother her sons AND daughters about being self- sufficient.
And speaking of her daughters: a bunch of self absorbed, gossipy housewives that never amounted to anything in the story and concerned themselves with frivolous crap throughout. Yeah, let's be dependent on our men and fart out babies because that worked out so well for your crotchety cheated on Matriarch didn't it?
The main female lead was only able to defeat Love Machine because the stupid script said she could with a card game. She wasn't smart, inventive, or anything, she just happened to know an obscure game.

And as for all of you running around going, " Why wouldn't America be depicted as evil I mean we're evil white imperialists... Hur hur hur!" and thinking you're so clever.
While the US might have made missteps in its short reign as the world's sole super power, they are NOTHING compared to what developing countries have done to themselves and their neighbors.
Go look up what Japan did to the Okinawans, or what they did in Asia... Far, far worse than anything that done to them by the US.
But I guess being raped, bombed, and murdered is marginally better when the person doing it to you is the same color as yourself, eh?

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Fake comment, you didn't watch the movie

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