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Sooo... i consider myself a socialist.... capitalism is the problem

posted 14 years ago by raf696
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Before you're going to lynch me... hear me out.
I really think that capitalism is THE worst social system that could ever hurt human race.
I'm going to try to keep this within the parameters of the movie...
Almost at the beginning , there is a talk about a world wide convention with a "saving the planet" idea in mind. And rihgt there is you see a problem... "we would like to provide you with that technology, but it is in private hands."

I have a *beep* load of arguments, that will show that capitalism is a disease that benefits the few that will get richer and richer at the expense of everyone else.

I'd like you to point out the faults and virtues of capitalism... I'll give you an idea...
Imagine a desalinization plant is being private... they jack up their prices due to the scarcity of water... in other words you can't afford it, you... you get the picture.

I just wanted to get the ball rolling and find out how do people really feel.

And please, don't confuse the socialism with the dictatorship that has been in the root of communism. We are the SOCIETY and we all agree to do things certain way that can benefit us all... this is what I have in mind by saying I'm a socialist.

OH... and before anyone tries to persuade me towards capitalism please... please watch a documentary called "Money masters"... it will give you some perspective.

People are just jealous, because "voices" are talking only to me...

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[–] Drake--McCloud 14 years ago

you people make me sick. Please leave my country which was founded on capitalism. please, please go. More intelligent way than free markets? HAHAHA, its the only way, its the way for ANY success in the world. Governments are evil, they dont help people they take their freedoms away in the name of power. So you think capitalism is evil, and trying to get rich is evil, BUT YET you trust politicians to not be evil, to not be corrupt? You are pathetic, you are an ignorant fool. Free markets are the only way into the future. We dont need governments to distribute wealth, the markets will do that efficiently IF ALLOWED. If we can get government out of the current aspects of our economy, prices will fall dramatically. You say, in trying to sound intelligent, that a system based on profit is always going to foster exploitation... Seriously? get a life, read some von mises.

So your saying that our governments wont exploit us? And we should just trust them blindly? At least in a free market you can choose whether to be exploited or not. Its called education. the politicians are nothing but power mongers and will exploit you without choice, much like they are now. So keep believing your liberal propaganda. Ill look at real life, not theoretical utopias.

[–] koffeegod-1 14 years ago

I believe that there is a misunderstanding of what capitalism is and what it isn't. There is nothing inherently wrong with capitalism. Capitalism simply correlates to the existence of private property and free trade. These are the two necessary ingredients for a truly free society.

I think what you and the OP are thinking about is "corporatism" which is a form of proto-fascism. Corporatism happens when powerful interests (business or otherwise) gain control of the state apparatus (aka the guns of the state) in order to take control of the money supply in order to steal wealth through monetary inflation and at the same time externalize their costs onto the rest of society.

I don't care if you're socialist, communist or capitalist - live however you want as long as it's VOLUNTARY. But the second you want to form an institution with a monopoly on the use of force then you set up the conditions for despotism.

[–] warlok1 14 years ago

no human society would willingly vote itself into a dictatorship...socialism seems great on paper, and if you are from a country like Norway, Sweeden or some similiar nation with the welfare state firmly established, Socialism would seem a pretty darned great way of life to you.

now as a rebuttal, the 'we would like to provide you with that technology...' argument, is just one of many that could arise...for example :

"We would like to provide you the technology, but you don't follow the correct ideology"

"...religion"

"...skin color"

"...its a matter of national security."

"...wouldn't mind just sitting back and letting you collapse while our armies march and conquer in the devastation to come."

the 'private hands' excuse is just that, and a weak one at that.

as to the desalinization plant (and the example from the film) when a needed service (air, food, water) is scarce or when the production costs are such that it'd be prohibitavly expensive, its governments responsibility (thru the creation of infrastructure) to provide necessary things like food, water and power at a reasonable price, or even free (with the assumption your taxes pay for it) -- he desalinization plant example was textbook price gouging, and I'm willing to be the 'protests' didn't affect the private companies backing down as much as the threat of a Justice Department probe. Another example was Enron's energy trading to gouge the state of California and create a summer of rolling blackouts in 2000...look how fast folk jumped in to investigate that, and how many prosecutors were licking their chops for headlines.

You might think i'm defending capitalism and I suppose I am, but the greed shown in this film is CORPORATISM, and is as bad for the economy as other facets of greed.

[–] originaljiggy 12 years ago

I really think that capitalism is THE worst social system that could ever hurt human race.

Capitalism isn't a social system, it is an economic one.