If Wil Willis was really an Army Ranger, he no doubt has some skills. But going Rambo on other spec ops dudes is some serious sh-t. If Wil never loses a mission I'll be almost certain the show is pure choreography with little to no actual wargame aspect.
Your thoughts? Opinions?
I'm pretty sure the show isn't choreographed at all. Wil doesn't even meet the opfor until after the mission is over, so he has no idea what he's up against, and I don't think the opfor is told that they're up against just a single operator. I can't be certain of how much preparation takes place between both sides, but I'm positive Wil is kept in the dark, not entirely sure if the opfor is.
shareI don't think the show is choreographed. He did manage to complete the mission in last nights episode, however he was killed a short time later. I was worried he would go through the entire season and complete every mission and never be killed which would have been crazy considering the skills of all of the men he is going up against. I think since they are using simunitions some of the guys are a little more aggressive than they would normally be and Wil is able to take them out.
I love this show, it's awesome.
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Well, he did get shot in the snow mission, although he did accomplish his mission objectives, and bugged out at the end of the WMD camp mission without accomplishing all of the objectives.
The problem for the OpFor in the hostage mission was the hospital was HUGE and they only had 4 operators, way too much ground to cover properly. At the end, when he got behind the last remaining enemy and had a clear shot at the hostages, it was pretty much over.
"im an important terrorist leader and im just gonna take a stroll out onto the perfectly staged balcony so our protagonist can take a perfectly ideal shot at me."
Yeah, I think that all of the OTHER people are scripted. The drug lord was told to do something stupid like that, but that doesn't mean that the opfor was in on it. I expect that guarding a non-mililtary person, especially an ego-maniacal drug lord, you have to expect something stupid like that. It is the opfor's fault for not keeping an eye on him.
I think others like the pilot, the scientist, the hostages, the aid convoy people, they were told basically how to behave, etc. And I think that the command guys are ready to throw new obstacles in his way, by changing mission parameters, and setting priorities (e.g., "You must get to the bridge and photograph the maps before completing any other objective." etc.) But I assume that the operators are represented fairly in that they really don't know what the other side is doing. I assume that this is common training for spec ops people.
I agree that some of the filler shots are clearly recreations, picking locks, running down a hill where there was no camera coverage, etc. But I think the "action" is real.
As far as the sniper shot being fake, I agree. The simunition web site says that their 5.56mm round is accurate to 30m, and I can't judge where he was but he seemed to be outside 30m. But, since the M4 is accurate up to 500m and this guy is a trained operator easily within 100m, perhaps they had agreed before-hand that if Willis got off any clean shot on the drug lord, that that would count as a kill, since it would have been such an easy kill in real life. I think that that would make sense in the sense of a simulation.
the sniper mission in the woods was obviously fake. "im an important terrorist leader and im just gonna take a stroll out onto the perfectly staged balcony so our protagonist can take a perfectly ideal shot at me. wil didnt even shoot a real shot because the simunition rounds dont go that far. and how was the camera looking through his scope.
obviously staged but still very entertaining
"East, I thought you said Weest."
I don't think anything is choreographed, but I think that besides the cameras that Wil and the other guys carry with them, there are also regular camera-men doing some of the filming.
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Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. - Mark Twain.
He yelled at the camera guy to keep the light from the camera out of his face on the urban one in the old hospital.
shareI'm sure a large part of the televised show is choreographed. HOWEVER, the parts that are choreographed are just simple shots they recreate for the show.
For example, Wil need to pick some locks. They aren't going to have a camera guy showing Wil picking locks DURING the mission. So AFTER the mission, they will have Wil "repick" the locks while a camera guy films it. Shots like that.
So I think the actual mission is authentic, I think they recreate parts of the mission to fil for the show..
Chase Riveria and Charlie Parish are OpFor quite often, too.
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"For example, Wil need to pick some locks. They aren't going to have a camera guy showing Wil picking locks DURING the mission. So AFTER the mission, they will have Wil "repick" the locks while a camera guy films it. Shots like that."
If you are talking about the first episodes with the hostages Wil wasn't being shot by a cameraman. There is a static camera that films him entering into the room and the rest of the footage is from his gun camera.
I've only seen the first episode but what I do find a little weird is how the cameramen find all the sweet spots for the climatic shootouts. For example, the the shootout in the boiler room where Wil is caught in that little cubby/closet. There is obviously a camera man filming from an elevated position and there is another camera man filming ahead of the last tango who swings between the tango approaching and Wil hiding....if it isn't choreographed then it admittedly ridiculous at some points.
they probably re-enact the mission again after it is done,and take dramatic shots etc
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