At the end of the movie, did any one else think that Hatter spent more time in Wonderland after Alice left.Since there is a time differnce between the two worlds. Hatter could of spent a day or more and still be there to get alice out of the building.
shareYeah I think Hatter was there for another day or so.
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ya I thought that too his faced was healed up
sharePlus he proabably took some time to change his apperance.
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I missed the reference to the time difference between Wonderland and Earth. When did they mention that?
shareWhen Alice returns to her world, in the hospital her mom tells her that she had been missing for about an hour. And she was in Wonderland for about 2 or 3 days.
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This might be one of the things that, if you think about it too much, your head will explode. For instance, if several days of Wonderland time is only an hour or so of Earth time, what would the 150 years of Wonderland time (the time between the LAST Alice's adventure), be in Earth years? Or were they referring to 150 year of Earth time, and if so then how long has it been in Wonderland? Or is it completely random?
...I've been thinking about this too much.
Well my head hasn't exploded, but it really hurts.
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Well, let's say that 3 days in Wonderland = 1 hour on Earth. Then...
If they meant 150 years in Wonderland time, then it was a little over 2 Earth years.
If they meant 150 years on Earth, then it was 10,800 Wonderland years. wow.
Either possibility makes my head hurt too.
Wow...You are my hero for doing that math! haha My head hurts just thinking about it! I'm actually writing a book on Wonderland and the main character left when she was eight and is now returning ten years later, so I've been tring to figure out how many years in Wonderland that would be, but don't have the patients to do so. haha
But, I think that he did spend a little time in Wonderland after she left. The romantic in me likes to think that he stayed, trying to tell himself that he would be okay without Alice in his life, but found that he was miserable without her. haha I'm such a teenage girl!
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So the Hatter could of spend up to 2 days in Wonderland before going after Alice
shareIs that right?
Alice's mom said she was gone for an hour and then "someone" (hatter) found her. Wouldn't he need to come out about the same time then?
no not with the time difference
shareI mean, he DID say "Finally". So that indicates SOME passage of time. Though she probably was in the hospital a day or maybe more (observation, making sure she's ok despite talking about rabbits and casinos where they suck emotion out of people). Logically (though logic has little place in Wonderland), it's equal to a different passage of time in Wonderland. Maybe Hatter was helping with the reorganization after Jack became King.
shareOkay now, time for some extreme thinking!
Things we know:
1.There is definitely a time difference: Alice was missing for an hour and in Wonderland for (have we all agreed on?) 3 days.
2.I assume we all believe that Hatter was in fact the "construction worker" who found Alice.
Now, this is where the thinking gets tricky, and I apologize if it gets confusing and I start going on tangents:
Alice was gone for 1 hour. That means, 1 hour after leaving her home, Hatter found her in the construction site. If time had passed between Alice leaving Wonderland and Hatter leaving Wonderland to get her, wouldn't that make the time difference...different? Like, if Alice spent 3 days in Wonderland, and then left, and then Hatter spent, I dunno, 3 more days in Wonderland trying to decide what to do, then those 6 days would equal 1 hour, because Hatter had to be in the real world to find her. Also, how come Alice was, like, unconscious, but Hatter wasn't after he got to the real world, or at least he wasn't as unconscious as long as Alice was..hmmm...
Also, sorry for my ridiculously long post, haha, this show just really got me thinking. But also, are we sure Alice was there for about 3 days? Because at one point the Queen tells the Duchess that she's had Jack for 3 days. I had assumed that meant that the Duchess has been trying to get him to confess and tell the truth for three days, like, since Alice appeared at the casino or something...I don't know, so much to think about.
All in all I loved the show, I love Hatter, and I loved Alice's mom's face in the mirror at the very end. Haha!
I don't think Hatter was the one to find Alice. I think that he stayed in Wonderland for awhile, till it settled down a bit, and then talked to Jack about going back.
The contacts Jack had in our world (I'm assuming he did and that's who texted him at the beginning) could have been keeping an eye on her; they could have told Hatter what happened after she went through, and he just had to pretend to be a construction worker.
I love how much we're thinking this through :).
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Hatter was the one to "find" Alice. Remember her mom said that the construction worker who found her wanted to stop by and make sure she was okay and then she (Mom) went to answer the door, which was Hatter.
shareIt didn't sound like him. I was thinking that he told her mother a lie about him being the construction worker. Though there is a question about how he knew that a construction worker found Alice, that voice just didn't sound like Hatter.
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I have to agree with Ravenwing and Kellysam that I don't think Hatter was really the one who found her. I believe it was just a story he made up to her mother. As to why, we can speculate on the back story there. I also don't think that actor playing the man who found Alice at the construction site sounded like Andrew-Lee Potts.
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You know, I wondered that too, if that was even really Hatter who found her. I wondered if it was a made-up excuse he gave her mom. So her mom wouldn't wonder, why is this total stranger asking to see my daughter.
(Hmmm. Well, maybe somehow he found out that a construction worker found her. Maybe he overheard someone mention it, or maybe in Wonderland they have a way to see things that happen in our world. I don't know. It kind of seemed like maybe some Wonderland people do have that kind of knowledge...otherwise how did the White Rabbit know exactly where Jack was, at the beginning.)
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interesting point...too many questions, not enough answers! :-)
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You never really answered the question you just gave me a bigger headache.
I think the only way to have this answered is for the writers to do so. They'd explain it better (:
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I didn't remember exactly what the Queen told the Duchess...but for all we know, maybe 3 days went by in Wonderland, in the few minutes that it took Alice to get there after Jack was taken.
I really don't think the time difference has such an exact chronology as some people speculate it might...I think it flexes back and forth.
Even if the chronology was exact, and an hour equaled, say, a day, in Wonderland time (I doubt that's right anyway), if it's been a day or so by the time Alice comes home from the hospital, it could have been nearly a month according to Wonderland time. Which could (partly) account for the Hatter's saying, "Finally!!!"
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I feel like everyone is over complicating it
Her mom said she was gone for an hour. I'm assuming that means sense she ran off
That 1 hour was about 2 days wonderland time
Between the hospital and the end I would say that was 1 day real world time
1hr=2 days
24 hrs=48 days
So I'd say about 48 days passed. But who knows I could be off base.
I think his "finally" was in response to her hug. That she was finally embracing him.
sharetearsofasara (again),
Logic totally has a place in Wonderland. Logic (for mathematicians and logicians) is what Lewis Carroll's original Wonderland was based on. That's actually why it doesn't "make sense" on a "normal" level.
(For instance: All animals are blue, all elephants are animals, therefore all elephants are blue. That's logic, because the statement logically follows. Doesn't matter that it's nonsense. Wonderland logic makes sense in its own weird way like that.)
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His saying "Finally", I really think referred to the hug. Remember in the casino he hugged her and said they would have to put it off till another time (not in those words, of course), and then when the Casino blew up, he asked if he could get that hug now.......then when she left, they had a bit of a formal hug. Not the kind of hug he had been longing for. That came when she rushed into his arms at the end. (Doesn't really matter about how much time passed, it was way too long for Hatter to get to hug "his girl".) :)
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that's how I took it, too. While I think there is a definite time difference between Wonderland and Alice's world, I believe his "finally" is reference to the hug he wanted so much.
shareI imagined with the time difference, while Alice had been back in her world for a few days, she may have been gone from Wonderland for several years. And that's why I think Hatter said "finally".
sharewant to really explode your head?... how about this... since Alice and the Hatter were lusting after each other.... and we all know that 1 day seems like a week... so it was more like 30,000 years since the hatter satisfied himself...no wonder he missed her... I hope she is alright...
sharetearsofasara (neat name),
Well, it has actually been around 150 years, Earth time, since "Alice of Legend" (Lewis Carroll's Alice) was there, so I assumed that was probably what they were referring to. (Maybe Wonderland people have a way to keep track of how many years it's been on Earth...which is also kind of mind-boggling, thinking of them knowing that.)
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i think its about 3.12 earth years- so I did the maths- what a shock! although having said that my maths skills are non-existant so don't take my answer as gospel!
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Hmm, I don't remember any references to there being an actual 'time difference'... though it was brought up several times that people in Wonderland have much longer lives than 'oysters'.
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if wonderlandians (that's just what i'm gonna call them) live longer than oysters, why does time pass faster in wonderland than on earth?
shareBecause if Hatter is alive for 150 years (even if it might or might not be 2 years in earth time) then they kinda do live longer.
shareNot necessarily. He said things changed a lot since then. It *could* have been a different Hatter in the first story. He was, after all, mad and friends with the March Hare (Mad March in this case).
shareWhat a marvelous bit of discussion with many points of view. One part of the question was why Alice was unconscious and Hatter wasn't. I think her "accident" may have been caused by running into an old building that was being demolished and falling and hitting her head (chasing after Jack who was being pursued). Thereby came the tale. (Wizard of Oz stuff) Hatter came out of the mirror as he went in, just as she did in a way.
Anyway, sometimes you just have to put aside the reality of things and accept the fact that it happened exactly as portrayed in the story. More fun that way anyway.....at least for those of us with a good deal of imagination. :) Fantasy is fantasy and a lot more enjoyable than reality in many cases. Wouldn't the females on here love to have been in Alice's place? (Even at my age, I would love to have experienced something like this in my younger years)
A lot of story could be built on this beginning. :)
Mary
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Mary,
I agree, I think she was unconscious in our world while she was awake in Wonderland. (Hmmm. Makes one wonder what would happen if she were unconscious in Wonderland!)
Fits with the original book Alice in Wonderland having Alice turn out to be dreaming at the end. Only in this version, obviously it wasn't ONLY a dream, because Hatter follows her into our world. ^_^ (The original Wizard of Oz wasn't supposed to be a dream. The 1939 movie added that.)
And I'd love to have had an adventure of that sort in my younger years too! ^_^
(Not that I'm all that old yet...but I'm definitely older than Alice...even the grown up version in the Syfy reimagining.)
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I had speculated a few possible things regarding the potential time difference (and after reading this thread):
1. The Hatter could be the same one, as a lot can change in 150 years (Hatter not so mad anymore, and a break with March Hare/Mad March). Hatter did wonder if Mad March really was him, and that could have been from before.
2. During the scene when Alice was young, it made me wonder if they were implying that it is the same Alice, once when she was young, and once as an adult, so that she really is the Alice of Legend.
3. It seems to me that time does pass differently in Wonderland. I don't see how his face could've been so cleaned up after such a short period.
About Hatter: I thought he was probably there for another several days. Of course I could be mistaken about that.
About the time difference: It's probably not even an exact equivalent. Like how Narnia's isn't (sometimes it can be years and years in Narnia while much less time passes in our world...other times it's not like that at all...depends partly on what suits the story/the author at the moment...shifting/changing time differences can be very convenient that way).
(Of course, one main reason for other worlds to have time that runs differently from our world is so that the characters from our world can really have a proper full-length adventure, without being gone for very long in our world.)
I think it makes sense (sort of...in a Wonderland way ^_^) for other worlds not to have an exact time equivalency to ours. (I agree though, whether they do or they don't, either way it's mind-boggling!) (Or, as Lewis Carroll might say, "Curiouser and curiouser". ^___^)
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The Narina idea was a good one
shareI was confused about the 3 days thing too, but we could take it to mean that the Dutchess has Jack for the 3 days since he was forcibly dragged back to Wonderland, and not that Alice was in her head for 3 days.
It may be a crazy idea, but maybe Hatter did follow Alice right after she jumped through the glass. Her tattoo is gone because only an hour passed in her world, so maybe his wounds healed as well. He is a Wonderland native, so maybe he has been through the looking glass before, which is why he didn't pass out. He heard people calling for her, and tried to disguise his voice to better fit in and showed them where to find her. Maybe he couldn't wake her and got worried. It is just a theory though.
I TiVoed it when they ran the complete 4 hour event right around Christmas, and I'm watching it right now. I just got to the part that they met Charlie. Hatter is a vessel, lol.
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God, I'm such a sap! I knew what was coming at the end, I knew, but I still sobbed like a baby when it all ended with a kiss.
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Wait, so if time passes faster in Wonderland than in the real world how long was Jack in our world?
I haven't seen it in a while? Did they specify how long Alice and Jack had been dating, because even if it was only a couple days (which is doubtful to me since he was proposing marriage) then he was missing from Wonderland for several years, even decades? In which case, wow.
Also, how long would Alice's dad have been stuck in Wonderland if like 10 years (once again, I can't remember exactly) had passed in the real world?
My brain is going all fizzy.
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One thing first to know is that I don't think people in Wonderland age the same as we do.
I think that Alice and Jack dated for maybe a month or two.
I think her been missing for 12 to 15 yrs (could be wrong on that on)
Watching the movie for the umpteenth time, I don't think time passes differently in Wonderland than on Earth. The big clue is when Hatter tells Alice & Ratty that the Orginal Alice "brought down the whole house of cards, but that was 150 years ago and oysters don't live that long..." That matches our earths timeline and when the orginal book was written. Otherwise he would have said that was 1000 years ago or something like that.
Which hurts my brain with the looking glass and the only way I can make my self feel better is to conjecture that they can send someone back to a specific time if they wish.
I hope this makes sense.
Your last sentence darcelle1, makes sense, since how else would they return all those people to the place they took them without much speculation coming from those who had missed them? Maybe the mirror is made to send people from the real world back to the time they entered, but the people from Wonderland can choose, in some way, to go to a particular time. That way Jack could have chosen to find Alice, as his mother said, and Hatter to find her in the building.
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I definitely think a little time had past; as other people have pointed out, his face was healed up. Also, I gotta go with him not being the real person who found her, unless the film-makers are idiots and didn't match the voices up (or left them un-matched on purpose to torment us audience members!) In my opinion though, when Hatter says "Finally" when Alice hugs him, it is *not* really because a super long time had passed. Yeah, it had been a little while and when you're in love, it doesn't have to be a long time for you to miss someone like crazy
Now, if you remember in the casino, she hugged him like that and he said they should save "that" for when they got out of there.
Then he tried to resume the moment after they were safely outside but the Queen cock blocked him (that whole main plot resolution is such a drag).
When they parted at the looking glass, that was not the same hug; it was very friendy/awkward. Very guarded, on both their parts (probly because of stupid Jack).
So when she runs and hugs him, Hatter says "Finally" because he did, FINALLY, get his hug, and kiss (and really Alice herself), that had been put off before. Even with the mom standing there looking hilarious...
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A few thoughts:
1- as she is being pushed into the looking glass the guy says something, I had to read the subtitles because you can barely understand it "you just have to make yourself keep breathing" since the audience barely heard it and Alice was already started into the mirror as he said it I don't think she heard it. Not breathing followed by a hard landing where she may have hit her head would definately land her in the hospital, at least for overnight observation.
2- jack was clearly working with someone who was keeping a lookout and texted him to run. He probably saw Alice run into the building and stood watch waiting for jack, caterpillar, or a resistance messenger to come back through. When he saw people looking for Alice he probably pretended to be a construction worker to keep them from finding the mirror. Then when Alice came through he "found" her.
3- it would be an easy enough thing for him to keep tabs as the rescuer and hand that identity over to fellow resistance member hatter, especially now that the need for the resistance is over and he can go back to wonderland.
4- I think the time difference is flexible, but not command able or if jack really loved her he could have spared her pain after confirming her identity, by going back in time to just after her dad went missing and brought back the child that the dad would have probably recognized more easily than this grown up woman. Then if he really did love her he could again have chosen the correct time and come back and dated her with intent to marry.