Pretty much Red Dawn 2.0


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And the significant differences in character development, plot structure and overall tone don't count because...?

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Because this film felt like total repackage of Red Dawn sans the pissing in the radiator.

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It does seem that this is a pretty common reaction from Americans, who can't seem to grasp the idea that while it may be a similar story on the surface, when you get into it it's quite different. For one thing, this isn't glorifying war, it isn't glorifying Australia, the main characters aren't draped in the Australian flag, and it's not full of patriotic cliches.

The inspiration for this movie is based on a 7 book series, for anyone who will claim that the movie script rips off Red Dawn, and many have said that. At no point did the author, John Marsden, borrow from American movies, but from historical records of resistance movements in occupied Europe during WW2.

It really does seem that the moment any movie comes out depicting an invasion scenario like this, that people start drawing comparisons to Red Dawn. Totally unfair.

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sequel?

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Some Australian hack rips off a well-known American movie with a huge cult following, and the Australians soil their shorts when anyone points out the obvious ripoff.

It wouldn't be so absurd if the ripoff had been passably well done, and wasn't such a cheap flirt to the usual liberal anti-war, feminist cults ... you know, the ones who despair of all the violence in films unless the protagonist should happen to wear a pair of teats. Then it's OK, politically correct & morally uplifting.

Red Dawn still appears on cable at roughly 20 times as often as TWWB, and even the hysterical Socialist defenders of this cheap ripoff know that 20 years from now Red Dawn will still be a classic, played regularly, whereas the pale copy will be long forgotten.

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Some Australian hack

And right there is where you lose the argument.

Winner, Australian Multicultural Children's Book Award 1994
Selected, American Library Association list of Best Books for Young Adults 1996
Selected, American Library Association list of 100 Best Books for Teens 1966–2000
Selected, American Library Association list of Popular Paperbacks for Young Adults 1998, Nominated 2011
Winner, Fanfare Horn Book Best Book 1996
Winner, Children's Yearly Best-Ever Reads (CYBER) Best Book for Older Readers 2000, 2001, 2002
Selected, Whitcoulls top 100 books, 2008 (No. 63)
Selected, COOL Awards (Canberra's Own Outstanding List) 1995
Winner, KOALA (Kids Own Australian Literature Awards) 1995
Winner, YABBA (Young Australian Best Book Award) 1995
Winner, WAYRBA (West Australian Young Readers' Books Award) 1995
Winner, BILBY Awards (Books I Love Best Yearly) 1998
Nominated, South Carolina Book Award 1998
Winner, New South Wales Talking Book Award

And that was just the first book. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow_series#List_of_awards_and_nomina tions_received_by_the_Tomorrow_series

You want to compare the two? How about doing it without resorting to insults and baseless accusations.

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Twilight:
- One of Publishers Weekly's "Best Children's Books of 2005"
- One of School Library Journal's "Best Books of 2005"

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..."don't count" because they don't exist.

It is purely a remake

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This movie isn't pretty much Red Dawn 2.0

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Then you weren't paying attention, since you seem to have missed how TWTWB only gradually reveals to us and the characters just what's happened to the country, unlike Red Dawn opting for a shock action opening with paratroopers everywhere. Or how it takes the teens in TWTWB something like 90 minutes to make a decision about joining the fight.

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What "significant differences"?

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The ones I just said?

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So Peter Jackson's King Kong was not a remake of the 1933 classic?


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Yes, it was, and what exactly has that got to do with this?
Tomorrow, When the War Began is not a remake of Red Dawn and does not even try to be anything like it. There is a remake of Red Dawn, funnily enough called Red Dawn, that film is also nothing like this one.

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He said :

Then you weren't paying attention, since you seem to have missed how TWTWB only gradually reveals to us and the characters just what's happened to the country, unlike Red Dawn opting for a shock action opening with paratroopers everywhere. Or how it takes the teens in TWTWB something like 90 minutes to make a decision about joining the fight.


Like Jackson's King Kong took 90 minutes to show us the monkey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hZKc574LnBM#t=1


It even references the earlier film.

Obviously, TMTWB is not a scene by scene remake of Red Dawn. However, anyone who does not see the obvious parallels between the two movies was not paying attention. It is very similar to the debate over Hunger Games and Battle Royal.

Then again all TV shows are all the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHWM2r-UWzs&feature=player_detailp age#t=1

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In an interview with John Marsden, the author, he says that whilst writing Tomorrow he found that the story got bigger than just one book. The stopping point of the third became a forth, fifth and so on until number seven. Then onwards with The Ellie Chronicles.
The first film needed the anticipated (and implied) second for the first to "make sense" and for the whole seven book series to be made. A chance for a fantastic book series lost. Hopefully, not forever.

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Multi answer confusion, who is answering whom?
I see what you mean, but with respect a reference to King Kong wasn't too helpful.
Yes, of course there are going to be parallels but since we are now over one hundred years into film productions and the Human race has been writing since the bronze age, original plot lines for stories are going to be few and far between. I'm surprised all new films haven't now got a "this film copies/is similar to (change as required) that film" thread.
Incidentally, Battle Royal (the film) ignores the plot line of the book it is meant to be taken from.
Book description
“Battle Royale” is about a dystopian, alternate-history Japan where the tyrannical government demonstrates its control over the people by randomly selecting a class of 42 high school students, aged fifteen, to compete in a battle to the death, where participants must kill one another until only one adolescent survives."
The film changed that to.
A Japan that the government and the adult population are so intimidated by its adolescents disregard and general disrespect for them and the rule of law and after 800,000 students walk out of school, implements the BR Act. The act allows for a randomly chosen class to be taken to an island where they will fight to the death until only one remains. The chosen class has its former teacher in control of the island. This due to being impulsively attacked by a student in said class.
This last piece questions whether this particular class was chosen at random.

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Yes, of course there are going to be parallels but since we are now over one hundred years into film productions and the Human race has been writing since the bronze age, original plot lines for stories are going to be few and far between. I'm surprised all new films haven't now got a "this film copies/is similar to (change as required) that film" thread.

Yes, you can find similarities between any movies. (E.T. was a Jesus allegory)

That is why it is important to do something different. Human Centipede can be compared with other films, Silence of the Lambs for example. However, the centipede aspect of it makes it something unique. Now if I create a film where three people are connected together ass to anus no matter if it is a comedy, cartoon, it will be considered a remake of centipede.

There was very little in the story line of After the Dark to separate it from Red Dawn.

I will go a step farther. Take Transformers as an example. Sure there have been other movies where earthlings befriend aliens (E.T.) even ones where the aliens appear to be something else (Starman, *Batteries not included) but Transformers is significantly different. I am not a Transformers fan, I just wanted to grab a title that would be familiar to most readers.

To mix media, if have seen The Warriors, despite being based on a book by Sol Yurrick, the movie and book are very very different.

Since someone brought up Planet of the Apes. I will say the remakes although sharing an title with the original are remakes in name only as they stories have been so mangled.

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Superficial differences, and your second one, about it taking the characters 90 minutes to decide to join in the fight, is just wrong.

TWTWB hits almost almost all the same plot beats as Red Dawn, in the same order.

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This film is not a Red Dawn remake, so many differences and much more character development. The story is also based on a group of models and there intends to be 3 movies followed by a TV series. Not something Red Dawn did either...

Similar concept, completely different film.

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It's undeniable that they're both very similar films-high school kids who are untrained in war but have certain bush/country skills and equipment end up fighting a guerrilla war after an unexpected invasion-no real background to how or why this has occurred is given (although some is supplied eventually in RD care of the Col. fighter pilot)-there are similar disagreements within the group as to tactics and indeed the very idea of fighting back-some sympathy is shown to the enemy foot soldiers killed, adult family members are put in concentration camps (in the literal meaning, not Nazi extermination camps)and on and on-some differences in climate/geography but still very similar 'hiding in the country' scenario-would have been more original if TWTWB had been set entirely in an urban large city setting.

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The lack of any background as to who the enemy is in TWTWB is intentional. The author of those books wanted the focus on the protagonists in the story, and did not want his books to fuel any kind of sentiment against any real world country. There was some upset over the fact that there's a definite ethnically Asiatic look to the enemy in the movie, as that is a key difference between the movie and the books.
I still think there's enough difference between the two that when some ignorant yank cries "Red Dawn ripoff", that I have a right to be angry about it.
Also, yes, they are both invasion scenarios, but as I have said, the inspiration for the writer was different. John Marsden has said that he looked at the history of resistance groups in occupied Europe during WW2. In addition, he wanted the "teenagers" in the story to be something positive, given how popular the "kids these days" meme had gotten.

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Good Lord!-Have you seen both films-they are pretty much identical in plot and given the fact that RD appeared some 9 years before the 'Oz RD' books were published, no American could be criticized for pointing this out.
Both films (and remember it's the films being discussed here, comparing apples with apples...) have the same flaw of a major war suddenly occurring without any noticeable background tension or escalation in international affairs.
As far as Asiatic people being the invaders, a quick glance at a map will show why that's the scenario-highly unlikely to be fighting off Icelandic or Brazilian troops.

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Indeed yes, the premise is similar, but there are differences enough between the two films, I think. Thanks.

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Similiar, yes. But I liked the movie. It does need a sequel. Kind of long winded and took way too long to get to the action.

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I'm watching this right now and it sure is similar to Red Dawn. I'm Aussie, love Aussie movies, and this ain't too bad either, but to me it is very similar to RD.

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While I was watching Red Dawn for the first time ever... I was thinking that tomorrow is very similar

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I actually watched this film because I loved the original Red Dawn. I would not say the film rips off Red Dawn but anyone who says they are not very similar has not seen them both. I did enjoy the higher level of character development here, in Red Dawn there really isn't any. Just because two things are very similar does not mean the more recent one is ripping off the other. Imagine trying to have a single zombie movie if American directors weren't inspired by the Italians. Imagine if George Romero wasn't one of those inspired directors. Imagine if all the zombie film creators since Night of the Living Dead had not been inspired. There is a gigantic difference between being inspired to make your own version of something you like versus ripping off something. If no one was allowed to be inspired by Star Wars would be have any science fiction films? If George Lucas had not been inspired by Dune by Frank Herbert, would Star Wars exist? Inspiration and making your own version of something you enjoy is what almost every film, book and movie in the last 2,000 years has come from. Even Shakespeare borrowed from ancient stories when he wrote several of his plays. Anyway, just getting sick of people throwing around "this ripped that off" all the time on these boards.

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this was first and it was based on a book *beep*

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