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The liberal Aussies would never surrender to the Asians


Get real, folks! Australia is a country whose government might try to fancy itself as some kind of liberal socialist state. But the Australian people are a lot tougher than that. The Australians would never, I mean never, surrender, especially to the Asians. The Australians didn't give in to the Japanese in WWII, even though the terrified Aussies realized their government's willful and negligent lack of pre-war military preparation left them completely vulnerable to the enemy. Why would the Aussies throw in the towel now? Never. Maybe the Australian government in the book series is depicted as having no backbone but the Australian writer should understand his own people a lot better than us foreigners whose impression of Australians is that they are a tough people who like drinking and fighting. (sounds like a lot of other peoples, too) When you have a situation where the Aussies would willingly take orders from hostile Asians then I have beachfront property in Nevada to sell to anyone.

I wrote this next point months ago and got trolled by fans of the book series who told me I was focusing on the wrong idea.
The idea that the United States would not directly and quickly intervene with all of its military air, land, and naval forces is ridiculous. Believe me that the American government will respond quickly, even if for selfish national reasons. The American government is not going to allow Australia to fall into the hands of a hostile foreign power or powers who would quickly turn Australia into a massive military base to lock up all of the Southwest Pacific Ocean. A hostile Australia under a new, hostile government means the Americans would have to invade. That was a nightmare battle scenario the U.S. government contemplated in 1940. A Nazi-occupied England (not including Scotland and Wales) would have meant a hostile American invasion launched directly from the East Coast and possibly Greenland and Iceland as forward bases.

The writer should be ridiculed for his ridiculous facade of avoiding the national ethnic identity of the enemy because, it's supposed to be a story about a group of friends coming together and not about the enemy. Huh? Then what are these group of friends doing? Then who are they fighting, the Mormons? If that were seriously the case, then the writer should have depicted invading extraterrestrials. The enemy is clearly Asian and it's patently stupid to pretend otherwise because of tiresome political correctness, and supposedly, according to the trolls, it's supposed to be a story about a group of friends, stupid me! I can believe a hostile coalition of Asian nations whose primary partners include Red China and Indonesia. Then throw in some other countries like Malaysia and Burma. Now that gets scary. Those nations can put together an invasion force of millions of men. Now I know that limitations in military equipment, supplies, heavy weapons, and necessary naval and air transport will limit the initial invasion to just tens of thousands. But those countries can continue to pump in men unless the United States can sever the coalition's supply and logistical transport lines. The enemy Asian coalition of the book series can invest hundreds of thousands of men into Australia before the U.S. Navy can totally sever the logistical lines. Sorry for the tirade, folks. But I really like Australia and don't like seeing the country put up to foolish ridicule that this movie will portray, despite the heroics of a bunch of brave Aussie young adults.

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Maybe the Australian government in the book series is depicted as having no backbone but the Australian writer should understand his own people a lot better than us foreigners whose impression of Australians is that they are a tough people.


I believe that was the angle John Marsden adopted in the books. You have read them?

The idea that the United States would not directly and quickly intervene with all of its military air, land, and naval forces is ridiculous.

Yes, I agree that non-communist Europe not lifting a finger to prevent the Russians Invading America, or doing anything to help their American allies, was ridiculous… oops wrong film. Obviously for the story to work geopolitics as we know them have to be ignored. I believe the phrase is suspension of belief.

The writer should be ridiculed for his ridiculous facade of avoiding the national ethnic identity of the enemy

Obviously the writer should have picked a real country (like Russia) and not given them any motive for invading. Just have them turn up and start shooting people. The writer doesn’t have to explain how they did that either. If the writer feels compelled to they can give some explanation but have the explanation be filled with so many glaring impossibilities that there might as well have been no explanation at all.

Or the author could be honest and say, I know this doesn’t make sense; you, the reader, are not stupid and know this doesn’t make sense; suspend belief and accept it; it’s not what this story is about anyway.

Or, as you say, you could just have the kids fight the Tripods from war of the worlds.

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Hey, mates, it's a BOOK (and a film, but the same comments apply). It's not HISTORY! The writer uses a premise, and then expands on this theme. So the premise is that the Aussies surrendered. Why is this harder to believe than, let's say, the actions of Bruce Willis in Die Hard? It's fiction. Enjoy the adventure, or turn to the History Channel :)

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Hi Jeff,
I admire your patriotism and belive that your heart is in the right place.

However, the US soverign debt time bomb shows that the US is rapidly running out of money and their ability to assist will be greatly minimised. For the forseeable future, the US would still mostly likely have the most powerful military force in the world, but, being a democracy this force can only be mobilised *if* they have the approval of Congress, and ipso facto, the people. Whilst I have a lot of faith in our yankie allies, the people of the US won't approve of a war when the cupboard is bare...

Secondly, in the decades after WW2, Australia has had notoriously weak government. Our foreign ownership laws are amongst the loosest in the world (try purchasing property in Japan for instance and see how far your non-citzenship gets you) coupled with the natural bounty of minerals that the nation has been blessed with is being given away with no regard to long term value ... refer below.

http://www.citicpacificmining.com/en/project/sino-iron-project/

http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2011/02/23/209341_tasmania-news.html

I'll leave the question hanging as to what our nation is when we have, what is effectively a 3rd world nation digging up minerals in protected national parks...

Personally, whilst somewhat enjoyable, I thought the invasion as written by Marsden / and depicted on film lacked realism and I would like to see something written extrapolated from today's context.

Say..2020. Due to Australia unilaterally reducing protectionism as per WTO recommendations, all economic sectors (apart from mining) are in decline. China has by this time, corrected the yuan, which has increased its notional wealth to the largest economy in the world. All commodities are now traded in the yuan, not US dollars, lowering America's economy still further.

The cash strapped Australian government, struggling to keep up the welfare payments to a swelled underclass by virtue of our porous border policy, coupled with the decaying infrastructure seeks income by taxing the majority owned foreign mining interests in the country. The mining mangenates retaliate by importing yet more foreign workers from 3rd world nations who work for pittance, displacing the local workers. Stirred up by union sentiment, petty acts of vandalism by the unemployed local workforce start to take on a more serious aspect. Chinese troops are now stationed at the ports and mines to foster and protect Chinese interests. A recursive cycle of violence between the downtrodden locals and Chinese troops leads the Chinese government to correctly conclude that the implemented super profits tax was little more than extortion, and since they are now, in simple terms, the tops dogs, (and historically have only responded to the threat of force) little would stop them from occupying the parts of Australia they required and doing away with the need of paying royalties altogether, before Australia realises that it has sold its once of inheritence to the lowest bidder and nationalises them.

Ask yourself people, something is very wrong. We have been betrayed by both our government and the hereditary "elite".

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Lab boy wrote:

try purchasing property in Japan for instance and see how far your non-citzenship gets you


My American friend owns a 3 bedroom house in Chiba Prefecture.

For all I know you're just trying to start an anti-Japanese/Asian rant

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haha half the ppl who posted on this board seem to harbour some degree of anti-Japanese/Asian sentiment.

Actually half of em are loony and seem to take this movie way too seriously, and probably go over and over in their patriotic head scenarios about how the "Asians" are planning to invade to get rid of "White Devils".

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@ Heyhey...

My American friend owns a 3 bedroom house in Chiba Prefecture.


Point conceded. My friend verified that it's not so much foreign ownership in Japan that is restricted, but getting a loan from a Japanese bank. However, the point is still the case in Thailand, Bali etc. True freedom *is* ownership - always has been...


or all I know you're just trying to start an anti-Japanese/Asian rant

On the contrary, I actually consider the Japanese superior, both culturally and intellectually - with a national average IQ of 111, almost 1SD above the average Australian. Added proof of their superiority is the fact that they have kept their refugee intake low and hence keeping their country relatively free of misogynistic disadvantaged R-breeding trash from East Africa and the Middle East.

Of course, at this point, those with leftist leanings will invariably point out that the lower classes can have similar violent crime rates. Having an underclass is inevitable, how much sense does it make to import one?








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Oh, here we go.

With every fictional-invasion type movie come the gung-ho retards who claim "that's never how it would go down!" and project their biased subjective personal beliefs onto everyone around them.

Did you even watch the film? It's about Australians NOT GIVING IN and taking the fight to the Asiatic invaders.

Moron.

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I don't understand why people take this movie in such a negative light. I'm not Australian, I'm from Singapore, I've seen this movie countless numbers of times and all I saw was the resilience of the Australians and how they come together despite their own differences in face of a mutual aggressor. It certainly doesn't show Australians to be cowardly. It did show a level of unpreparedness in the initial stages, for a hypothetical enemy, say Indonesia to pull that off, Australia either has to be completely unprepared or we are talking about a major failure of military intelligence. But the movie is all about how the Australians regroup, reorganize and deal with the threat. If anything at all, it just shows u guys don't take $hit from anyone.

I also see some Australians here who are genuinely worried about an Asian threat. Guys Asians are a threat when it comes to economics or the immigration issue. Not a military threat for now. Forget an Asian coalition, there wouldn't even be an ASEAN coalition to take on Australia. ASEAN as a whole is divided on the issue of handling an external aggressor like the PRC, forget us banding together to take out Australia. Besides, some of us Asians, Singaporeans for instance always have a positive view of Australia and her people. Malaysians too. And the distrust u guys have towards Indonesia, we have the same, alot more of it to be honest.

Also u guys are over-estimating the military power of Asian countries. Trust me, the USA may be broke, but all they need to do is to send in a carrier group. That will keep any Asian nation at bay, even the PRC.

That being said, if Indonesia does try any mischief, Australia would rout them on her own. Air superiority is something the Aussies will gain in record time, that's the whole reason why the Singapore Air Force trains over there with u guys. Indonesia would need alot more than the 10 fighter planes they have to get down to attacking Australia.

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Howard was voted out on domestic issues. Namely his attempt to Americanise Australian workplace law.

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There's this idea that australians are racist but it would be more accurate to call them xenophobic, which is actually a good thing as it preserves their culture from those who want to change it.

For this reason the white australia policy and the recent extreme anti-terrorist legislation largely aimed at muslims doesn't really raise any australian eyebrows.

Also although it's taken a hundred years, most australians now consider chinese immigrants to be a positive influence to australia. Nonetheless their are still concerns about sovereignty given china's growing power.

But anyway, this xenophobic aspect of Australian culture would mean a foreign invasion would be crushed. I would actually invite it, as indonesia still persecutes non muslims in places like papua, Bali and west timor, a war would bring their liberation, and australia would then probably use them as a 'forward defense' bases to defend itself from future indonesia or china aggression.

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Also Australia is widely considered to be nation of rednecks.

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