Wow, China is really milking it...


Most of the movies that have been coming out have been of the same theme. China is just, china is great, for the glory of china. Everyone else is a jerk, everyone else is out to get us, we must overcome adversity. Like, come on, we get it. Love watching the movies for action and visuals, but man, it feels like the message is always the same "We are the most awesome, we've never *beep* anyone over but we will always overcome adversity". Just feels like commie propaganda most of the time.

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A Chinese film with Chinese pride & nationalism during a great war? What's next, Americans making films with American pride & nationalism during a great war? /s

Really? What did you expect?

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RipTheJacker
I LOLed, reply of the week.

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Yeah, the Chinese are entitled to make films that show pride and such, as long as they don't totally and constantly ignore their flaws and problems.

And, though I'm an American, yeah, I think there are limits to how much WE should do that, too. There should be films of all stripes, both the rah-rah! kind and the self-examination kind.

Of course, we have Hollywood to point out our flaws and problems, and even to make them up out of whole clothe if they can't find a problem to be criticized and complained about.

I'm waiting for China's version of Hollywood to actually start making films that criticize the government at every step, and to find the bad aspect of anything they ever did (hey, they've got 3000 years of flawed behavior to justify! The USA hasn't even got 250!)...

I figure it'll last about three days, some heads will be removed, then it'll be back to "Hey! China is great! China is wonderful! China is the panda's meow!"

:^D

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frankly the difference is that in china, that is all you get, one side of the story. so don't draw that false equivalence.

basically in china, every channel is fox news.

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pretty much, they are the big market in asia now, their censors do not accept anything else really and so the producers mold their films to fit the chinese government nationalist agenda, and their population is brainwashed with the same nationalism, so this is the souless garbage you get.

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actually they don't. there is no equivalent to the chinese bureau of censorship or whatever its called. There is only politically acceptable message in film in china, nothing else makes it into their theaters. This cannot be said for free western countries.

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I agree with you and the guy you are arguing against. It seems like their are too many corny, patriotic Chinese movies. There are American equivalents, and they make me nauseated. There are many more movies made in other countries around the world that draw attention to controversy or what the director perceives as injustice and problems with their government. You don't see this happen in the PRC. Even Hong Kong is putting these self congratulating movies out.

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LOL "free" western countries. Only difference between here and China is the Chinese government is being blunt about controlling its citizens. I think you are more naive than free.

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Yeah, right. You've got your head stuck so far up your fundament it's sticking back out the top, in reality, if you think there is any comparison.

If you can't go through the films released about Iraq alone in the last five years and not find DOZENS of examples of home-made anti-American films, then you're absolutely utterly blind.

The real trick, apparently, is having a *positive* film about Americans setting 25 million people free enough that they have a chance at becoming free citizens themselves, permanently.

THAT seems to be something Hollywood can't quite manage to make these days.

(Note: I'm not even talking about a rah-rah pic here, just one that acks the positive side of things even as it does discuss the negative aspects, too)

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The other obvious issue is the fact that Hollywood can't use Islam as anything but victims. Even when the source material uses Arabs or some other Islamic group as "the bad guys", Hollywood changes that to something utterly ridiculous, like "Nazis". Yeah, lots of Nazis running around these days blowing things up... Uh-huh.

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The Chinese equivalent to Hollywood is Hong Kong.

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"25 million people free enough that they have a chance at becoming free citizens themselves, permanently. "

Free to have what ? A collapsed state in practical civil war ? Importing Mc Democracy do not work since it hardly work for you guys either. "Saddam BAAAD us GOOOD" kind of mentality is so stupidly naive. You were not any better to Iraqi people. It is no some shangrila back there now when you guys have pulled out.

If you had moron of president for two terms and who made mess out of Iraq and do not expect any one to point out your stupidity for having leaders like that or are sensitive when fact is pointed out, then you got feel bad all day every day. Nobodys fault but your own. It is *beep* sandwich you made your self hope you enjoy it.

"The other obvious issue is the fact that Hollywood can't use Islam as anything but victims. Even when the source material uses Arabs or some other Islamic group as "the bad guys", Hollywood changes that to something utterly ridiculous, like "Nazis". Yeah, lots of Nazis running around these days blowing things up... Uh-huh. "

I quess you missed lots of movies from 80s and 90s and half of Chuck Norris filmography.

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I kinda agree with ptdood, have you seen battle los angeles? transformers 3? captain america? and on and on. Typically, it's in the big budget action movies, because we americans, feel the need to be justified in our countries policies and treatment of other countries. It's what unites the lowest common denominator. Every country does it in one way or another, it's just more obvious to people from other countries.

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What bad things the Japanese did to China in World War 2 are one of the most horrible things in history....but yeah Communist China have done more horrible things to there own people then the Japanese.



Hard to root for Communist China as the good guys.But hey it's just a fictional movie.

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The difference is in China, you will never see a Chinese equivalent of Michael Moore. And if he exists, he'll be lucky to be rotting in a chinese prison.

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This

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Sure, there have been alot of stupid patriotic US movies.

But also alot of huge budget movies critical of their own government warfare. Have you seen Apocalypse Now or 4th of July with Tom Cruise? The chinese government would never, never allow those kind of movies showing a negative image of the government to their people.

Oh yeah, Dances with wolves (another mainstream movie) about how the US killed the native indians. No way the chinese government would greenlight a movie about Tibetans being slaughtered by the communistic army.

There are much better examples of anti-government movies made in the US, but I chose these since they are also big budget mainstream movies, instead of indie movies produced in the back alleys (bowling for columbine).

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lysozymes, good points. However, being a superpower is fairly new to them so give them time to commit the same amount of atrocities as their counterparts, then maybe there will slowly be the same anti-nationalistic films fighting their way to the mass.

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Probably yes, I wonder when china will have their very own Michael bay aswell :D


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Dude, be careful! Speak it and it might happen. >_<

:-P

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I don't know what you think a superpower is, but China is not currently it.

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I agree...but to be honest...a movie about Chen Zhen really can't be about much else...we've all seen fist of fury right!

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@Zyclone: Right because Japan never forcefully occupied China. This was not historically correct in that aspect. Nor did Ip Man really exist, develop his own style of martial arts, or stand up to the Japanese during their invasion. You are correct this is very Anti-Japanese and I just don't understand why. Oh and what other movies have they "released plenty of lately?" Examples? Remember, lately.


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According to wikipedia, Ip Man left Fushan (to Hong Kong) during the Japanese occupation.
"Yip went to live with Kwok Fu during the Second Sino-Japanese War and only returned to Foshan after the war, where he continued his career as a police officer."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yip_Man#Early_life

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It's ignorant to comment on this if you don't know China's history. Most western civilization don't know about China's history. All history classes teach about are the greeks, romans, US history. The era these movies focus on was a really bad time for China. China has a long and rich history but like all powerful nations, corruptions eventually took over and led to its downfall. During China's fall, european nations got powerful. 7 nations occupied a helpless china. Their treatment of china were no different from colonization. Then the Japanese took over. Japanese killed more people in china than the holocaust but no one in the west is aware of this part of history compared with people always talking about the holocaust and hitler. After finally fending off the japanese, civil war broke out in china. It was almost inevitable that communism overtakes china. The Disparity between the rich (who sold their own nation to the 7 nations and japan to gain/maintain their wealth) were too great.

I am no fan of China's government and I am an american. But I can understand why these movies were made. Some of these characters are people that stood up for their nation when their nation were being oppressed. (But others like IP man are highly fictional and made to sell about a martial arts legend. these characters lived during this era so naturally they fought against the japanese)

We also make a lot of movies about events in our history like pearl harbor,countless movies about vietnam, world war.

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Okay, Japan didn't murder as many people as the Nazis did.... Does that make Japan a good country or allow them to be shielded from criticism? Absolutely not. I don't care if the Nazis killed more people, what Japan did was definitely in the same league.

The 1800s and early 1900s was a bad time for China. Much of the population was addicted to opium and the Chinese lost control of their most important port cities. The power of the central Chinese government was slowly whittled away and eventually they couldn't even enforce laws to protect their citizens. They were being economically raped by the West and Japan. They even fought and lost wars in an attempt to rid their country of foreigners. Now, I'm not a communist, but it's easy to see why China turned to Communism at the end of the 1940s. The West and Japan were exploiting China and communism was a way for China to better their nation.

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.. You realize the US does the same thing, in regards to a nationalistic message in the movie, just as much, if not more? Actually, most countries do this, it's not just China.

I'm not too sure how Japanese feel about this "racist" movie, maybe surprised. Considering Japanese nationalists are constantly trying to revise history through their school textbooks and erase their dirty past.

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quite difference, china still has its national curriculum which is a warped history and one that pushes hatred of the japanese. this is in the context of state control of media and nonexistent free press or free speech, so the ugly nationalism is far far more dangerous in such societies. say what you will about japanese nationalists, they exist in a society with free speech, press and scholarship, their ideas compete with the rest and are scruitinized, whereas the ugly nationalism in china festers unchallenged.

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well said connoisseur of movies. my sentiment is the same.

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I'm not a communist or even a fanboy of the chinese government and I completely agree with connoisseur_of_movies and priebe25.

Well said guys.

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Finally some Chinese patriotism. sick and tired of the United States saving the world bullcrap. nationalism and patriotism both can be compared to Fanaticism and Fundamentalism. *beep* both of you.

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father_of_chicks,
I like the fact that you think you are superior to everybody else here on this board and goes on a nerd rage to bash everybody, when you yourself uses wikipedia as a reliable source.

The reason I don't like Japan is not because the so-called "brain washing" you are refering to, but because of the horrifying experiences my grandparents had during the Japanese occupation (Japanese rapings and killings).
Neither you, nor any other random arrogant jerk, can convince me that my grand parents were lying.

Also, unlike Germany, the Japanese government has never admitted their crimes and apologized to China.
You can call me a racist, but how would you feel if your country was occupied and outside each park entrance stood the sign: < Dogs (chinese included) not allowed.>

When we are at it, let us use your own source to prove you wrong:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

Go under TOTAL DEATHS, look under China, and see the numbers 10,000,000 to 20,000,000, so you want to tell me that these 19 million Chinese that died under WWII was all accidents? The Nanjing Massacre number was the death toll of one Chinese city, please get your facts straight before going on an arrogant nerd rage.

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"and what exactly are you doing now!?
yea...I thought so. "

Good, then you do understand that I beat you on your own home field. The fact that you makes no comment on my reply that 10-20 million chinese died under WWII leads me to conclude that you know that you are wrong and that your plan to prove that more yews died than chinese backfired.

"and keep rambling, I don't give a damn about this topic, Chen Zen failed movie or China's Nationalism! "

The fact that you replied to my post within 24 hours proves that you do care about this post.

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I am not a chinese citizen, but I was born in China. I have no interest in martial arts movies whatsoever, but I can't stand people that are arrogant but knows sh*.

The way you write trash and the way you argue (which is with insults instead of a discussion), leads me to conclude that you are a teenager with an low IQ.
I can understand what you are going through, as we all have been a teenager once. The IQ thing I however cannot change.

I will stop following this thread as a discussion with you obviously is impossible.

Good luck

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I am Chinese and I embrace Hollywood and even Bollywood rather than local productions. Local movies here are nothing more than gangsters/police, teenage romance, kung-fu fighting... *yawn*

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Just had to reply to this thread:

As a person who does love asian films, I must admit that I have been seeing some films recently by HK/China that says bad things about Japan or feels like it's pushing China PRIDE. It reminds me of the 70s and 80s chinese films of the time. I can only assume that this is because China is slowly taking over HK. It's ok to have pride in your country, but why do they have to keep talking trash about the Japanese. I mean, get over it, WW2 was long ago.

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sorry for my trolling on this thread, im a fagget, sorry

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Again, why is it okay for Americans to keep making WWII movies but not the Chinese?

The events of that period of history played a HUGE role in the subsequent development of their nation - moreso than WWII had on Americans even. And the Japanese did commit horrible atrocities.

It wasn't THAT long ago, and it's an easy source of stories where the Chinese guy can be the hero. They aren't doing anything the US doesn't do. In America, Nazis and Islamic terrorists are almost always the bad guys. In China, it's the Japanese. Perfectly understandable.

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