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Can someone please explain to me what was so great about the book?


I read this book about 4 years ago and I must say I really didn't like it. To me it seemed like the author knew what sold best: sex, violence and drama, added in A LOT of the technical building stuff just to make it appear more consistent and had himself a best seller. Then the second book came out and even though I was very skeptical about it, I began reading it and I still wasn't very impressed even though I thought it was a little better than the first one.

I didn't post this to offend anyone or because I'm a 'troll' or anything, I would really just like someone to explain to me what they thought was so great about this book.

Thanks.





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I always wondered if maybe some people hold it special in their hearts when it's the first big adult book they've ever read?

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- Strong, well-written characters. Aliena is intelligent, resourceful, courageous and romantic. Ellen is fiercely independent. Philip is a great leader with high morals. Jack is ambitious, charming, intelligent, and romantic. The main villain, William Hamleigh, is the most evil, vile character I’ve read. He is chaos and destruction personified. He provides a very sharp contrast to the heroes.
- It was suspenseful. After the death of Tom Builder, I didn’t feel any protagonist character was safe from death. While Aliena was seizing earlscastle I thought the ruse wouldn’t work and she would be thrown out over the castle wall or worse.
- The love story between Jack and Aliena. At first, they are a total mismatch, (22-year old rich earl’s daughter vs. 17-year-old penniless bastard) but after they start to develop a relationship, it becomes clear they are perfectly matched. But they don’t get to have the life they should and both want for a long time and so their eventual marriage is such a great moment.
- I loved how the author gave us a lot of insight into the characters, especially Aliena’s thoughts about Jack, as they became friends, after her marriage to Alfred, while she toured the earldom and during their wedding ceremony.
- Some other tie-ins that I thought were really good and aren’t apparent until you’ve re-read the book a couple of times:
- Jack’s made up story the first time he kisses Aliena is a microcosm of the whole book (Tom is the brave knight killed in battle, Jack the squire, Aliena the princess)
- When Jack first approaches Aliena in the forest glade, she’s reading the same book she was reading when William came to court her six years earlier. It was interesting to contrast how Jack handled that (he wanted to discuss the book) vs. how William handled it (here’s what I can do and here’s how I want my household to be run) even though their objective is the same: to make Aliena like them.
- Aliena’s quest for “peace” (as told to Jack during the midsummer festival in chapter 10) is fulfilled by two events – the retaking of earlscastle in chapter 15 (talking to her father: “Leave me in peace”) and her marriage in chapter 16 (“It felt very peaceful”)
- It was neat how Follett tied in some actual historical events (e.g. the sinking of the White ship, the murder of Thomas Beckett) to frame the story.
- Good riddance to the villains: William suffered a fairly horrible death and Waleran ended up powerless, Alfred ended up dead after attempting to rape Aliena.

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Geez - aren't you supposed to warn people when you post spoilers???

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I agree with fairweather's points, but I think one of the things that appeals to people about the book is the originality of the story. It isn't every day that you pick up a 1,000-page epic novel which centers around the building of a medieval church. It's surprising when you get to the end and you wish there was more.

Did you watch the series?

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Yes, I watched the series and I actually liked it. I thought it was very well made and I especially liked the acting and the directing. Even though people complain that they changed a lot of things from the book, I mean, they should already expect that to happen when a book adaptation is made.

It's pretty obvious that fairweather read the book a few times, but I would have to disagree on his/her point about the characters. I thought they were very poorly built because the good guys were very good and the bad guys were very bad. There was nowhere in between, to me they didn't come off as human, but just as characters from a book. I don't know how to explain it better than this but that's how I felt about them.

The suspense and the love story I agree. But the other points are just minor details that to me didn't really stand out in a book that big.

After I finish the book I'm reading right now I've decided to give it a second chance and maybe this time it'll change my opinion.





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I'm almost 50 and a published author. I've read literally hundreds of books in dozens of genres, from literary "masterpieces" to mainstream thrillers. The Pillars of the Earth is one of the few that really held me for days. It's such a deeply drawn portrait of a world I've never lived in that the word "magical" seems about the most apt.

Pillars has the epic grandeur of Tolstoy, but not the turgid pacing of most epics. It has an energetic pacing of a much smaller book. As a writer, I'm in awe of anyone that can maintain that kind of tautness in the plot.

Quite honestly, I feel deeply sorry for the people who didn't have the same experience. Maybe Harry Potter or Twilight will do it for them...

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I read and enjoyed "Pillars of the Earth" very much, even though - with one or two exceptions - I found the characters one-dimensional, especially the villains. The pacing was indeed excellent and the details of medieval life were genuinely interesting. It was extremely well-crafted but far from a literary masterpiece. And you needn't feel "sorry for" the people who didn't regard it as the experience of a lifetime. We have our own favorites, and mine do not include either Harry Potter or any of the Twilight books.

As for its subject matter, long before "Pillars of the Earth" there was Edith Pargeter's "Heaven Tree Trilogy," which also revolves around a boy driven to be an artist and the building of a breathtakingly beautiful medieval church. Pargeter's trilogy is a masterpiece, not merely a well-paced read but a story with heart and soul and sensitivity that extends even to its "villain" - a term I almost hate to use because he is so three-dimensional. Yes, he commits acts of cruelty, but far from being mere walking EEEvil and a plot device like William Hamleigh or Waleran, he is a man that compels both hate and devotion, and his redemption is thoroughly earned.

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Obviously, the bottom line is some people like the ambiguity of the characters in the series and others prefer the simpler versions in the book, and that does seem to be the point of contention between people who prefer one over the other.

Interestingly, in an interview Ian McShane did for the Spanish press a few weeks ago he mentioned that if he'd read 'The Pillars of the Earth' before he took the role of Waleran he wouldn't have accepted the job because the main characters were too one-dimensional in the book for him (which he read after he began filming). He said from an actor's and a story-teller's point of view he was happier with the marginally more complicated characters in the screenplay.




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You'd think that someone who appears to have such vast education would know better than to offend those who don't share his/her taste in books.

Also comparing Ken Follett to -haha- Tolstoi (and yes, you'd think that a published author, reader of 'literally hundreds of books in dozens of genres' would know how to corectly spell Tolstoi) is quite honestly laughable for someone like you. Unless of course that someone is completly made up. If not then I feel deeply sorry for you.





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Also comparing Ken Follett to -haha- Tolstoi (and yes, you'd think that a published author, reader of 'literally hundreds of books in dozens of genres' would know how to correctly spell Tolstoi) is quite honestly laughable for someone like you. Unless of course that someone is completely made up. If not then I feel deeply sorry for you


As you can see from the above quote I fixed the spelling mistakes of the one 'so accomplished' as to judge another for incorrect spelling.

And for the record it is TOLSTOY.

Google is your friend.

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Yeah, but see, I never said I was accomplished. I am not that arrogant. And from your comment, incorrect spelling was the last thing I was judging you for.


I apologize for my incorrect spelling! But english is not my first language. Thank you for correcting the mistakes. And it's Tolstoi!





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For the record ... since it's a transliteration of the Cyrillic, both Tolstoy and Tolstoi are acceptable ... as are Tchaikovsky, Tschaikovsky, Chaikovsky Tchaikovski, all of which appear on various album covers. It's just a matter of which spelling is the most commonly accepted ... and in the case of Tolstoy ... it's Tolstoy.

But you ARE Blanche ... and I AM.

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Sorry “PoeticFrenzy” – looks like you do not have any knowledge about Cyrillic Alphabet – the correct spelling is “Tolstoi”– but face it – this is just English language problem – if you do not know how to spell it (Improvise)....I hope you do know what I mean.
“Толстой” or “Tolstoj” –“j” to be pronounced as “i” not “y”.
Who is “quite honestly laughable now”?

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Tolstoi and Tolstoy would be pronounced the same in English. The English transliteration of Tolstoy is Tolstoy. I'm looking at the English translations of the books right now and I assure you it's going to be Tolstoy almost anywhere you look in Anglophone countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Tolstoy

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gotta love how half the posts on imdb eventually turn into grammar discussion

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Haha...your last sentence was incredibly snobby. I am just saying. There are people out there that can read, say, The Scarlet Letter and thoroughly enjoy it ...and then turn around and read Harry Potter and enjoy it as well...though for very different reasons.

Plus, people can dislike this book, but have a real passion for other epic and/or classic pieces of literature. Just because they don't like this doesn't automatically mean they will be really into something like Twilight.

Aside from all that, in between your post and other posts from people that read Pillars...I am so excited to read it.

Anyway, good day to you. :)

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well i've read the scarlet letter , and harry potter and twilight!
i'm very happy i don't have any bias that stops me from enjoying a variety of books from the classics to the bestsellers of today!
it irks me to no end that here and elsewhere really i always see this comment that one is obviously into twilight or harry potter as an insult and a proof of one's lack of culture and good taste! why?!

right now i'm reading an epic fantasy "a song of ice and fire" series by george r.r. martin and in between i have no problem reading some light chick lit for a couple hrs, it all depends on my mood ...not prestige of said writer.

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Harry Potter is far, far better than Ken Follet's books (although I enjoyed Pillars and WWE immensely).


Well that's just YOUR opinion. I'm inclined to think that Harry Potter is indeed among the likes of Twilight: no literary merit whatsoever. Try writing an analysis of it on an AP English Literature exam or the like and you can be sure you won't score very well. At least Ken Follet's novels have some historical merit (not with the main characters, but the setting and background characters such as Maud/Matilda and Stephen).



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Ooooohhhh a published author! That does give you the right to be a literary ass. Really, you "feel deeply sorry" for people like me who found this book less worthy than others. I feel deeply sorry for your need to belittle people who don't like the same books as you. If you don't ejaculate joy all over each page of this book you are relegated to the screaming teenage girl crowd?

I found most of this book to be an unrealistic irrational story. However it was mildly entertaining and did draw out some emotional reactions from the reader. Follett does a decent job of creating a medeival feeling world but the characters are so black or white and much of their actions so irrational that I could not rank this book very high. There are other facets of the book that bothered me but it has been several years since I read it and I no longer remember what they were.

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I know you've written these comments a long time ago, LostSok, but I felt I must reply, because I so agree with your comments. I have not read this book, but I've just finished watching the series, and if it is any true depiction of the book, then that book must be a fantastic read. I so disagree with the OP on a lot of things he/she said, and can't understand his/her definition or understanding of the book and her disappointment.

I sat down and watched the first 5 eps straight on, and then a day later the last 3. I was gripped from beginning to end. I was very sad when Tom Builder died. It reminded me of the death of Sean Bean's character in Game of Thrones. A lot of people threatened to stop watching that show because of it, and I wondered if people got angry enough to stop watching Pillars of the Earth after Tom Builder died, especially the non-readers of the book. I was sad but I wanted to continue to the end.

You're right, if someone could find fault with this series/book, then maybe this isn't for them.




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That's funny... First you claim to be a published author, then you hold books written by successful authors in contempt. I'm guessing the only thing you ever published was what you paid to have published. Books like painting and music aren't done for as art for arts sake, they are done to make money... the more money the make the more the world has said that the book or music is art... money defines art and some hack writer than can't write a book popular enough to provide money to live on isn't an artist they a wannabe.

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LostSok -- I appreciate the comment, but why the need for the criticism of the OP's opinion?

Admittedly, the book was hard to put down and a great read. I have recommended the book, but its characters were not memorable, and I've never felt it was good enough to revisit--just a reader's opinion and I wouldn't expect this be the same for all those who read the book.

But to feel sorry for those who didn't have the same experience is a reach and a bit of a callow opinion. (Even Harry Potter, which is disparaged here, did allow some depth to many of its characters, albeit it at a young reader's level).

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LostSok0523,

What a patronising remark. So what if people prefer twilight or harry potter, I personally do not like them, but at least they are actually reading books. You sir, sound like a pompous ass.

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Hey! I like POTE and Harry Potter! :P

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I must say that I'm inclined to agree with you, Mikaela. Although I'm not yet finished the book, which I bought because the subject matter was intriguing, I'm already infuriated by the generally poor writing and the fact that some characters are little more than stock types. The female characters are particularly frustrating - the descriptions of Aliena's voluptuous beauty are getting a little tiresome. And yet I intend to read to the end. I think what's encouraging me to read on is the scope of the story, the way in which a vast range of characters are brought together by the building of the cathedral. It's the connections between the characters and the epic historical period portrayed that I like about the book. But I still wouldn't say it was great.

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I'm glad you posted this because I felt like I was missing something for finding the book melodramatic. I thought a lot of the sex scenes were very cheesy and he put one in there so often that it became boring to read. I thought a lot of what happened was so cyclic that it got to be too predictable to hold up over 1,000 pages. Honestly, if it weren't for the time period I don't think I would've liked it too much....though maybe I'm just bitter that Tom Builder died lmao.

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I have to say it's the story and the character development. This wasn't the first "Big Boy" book I read that another reply implied. It was just fascinating and unputdownable (couldn't think of another way to put it). I also am a huge Follett fan, reading quite a few of his books. But this is entirely my opinon, If you didn't like it, that's your opinion and I'm fine with that. I don't expect everybody to like things I do. I respect that you read it and World Without End, most people don't give something a chance before they bash it.

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I get what you're saying. I love the epicness and the story in itself. However, I find the characters too black or white - too one-dimensional. Yes some of them matured but that is a given for the protagonists. It is still a nice "adventure" to be part of.


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