As a non-muslim from the ME I say: ENOUGH WITH THAT CRAP!
I have nothing else to add and I'm sure you know what I mean!
shareIf by ME you mean Middle East and if by "Enough!" you mean stop making it seem like Muslims have a hard time in the West, then allow me to say as respectfully as I possibly can that you have no idea what it is like. I will admit that the movie showed an example of a Muslim's life in the West from the extreme end of the spectrum but it is by no means the exception to the rule.
I don't believe Muslims should play the victims because of the harassment many of them may have received post-9/11. The true victims were those who died during that terrible event in 2001, whatever religion or nationality they may have been. But I do think it is good to tell their stories because because as Muslims in the West, we have had to deal with a great amount of discrimination, stereotyping and hatred from people who do not even want to try and understand who we are, and particularly who we are not.
Everyone faces struggles, and many people share their stories, why not let the Muslims in the West do so too?
oh! where's all that and the "harassment" thing with russians for example? what about how horrible lives guys named vlad or any other orthodox eastern euoropian name live in school? I'm not american, I'm not from the middle east but I realize the situation and what the original poster is talking about quite well.
shareNo one is stopping anyone from making a movie about russian Americans and the discrimination they face/faced. In fact, I personally would very much enjoy to see a movie dealing with that subject.
I'm not american, I'm not from the middle east
Oh, so then naturally you're an authority on the subject of how muslims in America are treated, and you've decided that this movie is tiresome and inaccurate? Good to know. share
I imagine Muslims face discrimination in the West, but why isn't anyone making movies about Jews and Christians being discriminated against BY MUSLIMS in the West, the Middle East, Africa, Asia, etc?
It's been a decade since 9/11 and Americans, especially the liberal left, STILL have no idea how to handle Islamic terrorism, the rise of Islam in Western civilization or the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
Obviously not all of the billion (give or take) Muslims on planet earth are bad people, but the Islamic mindset, the legacy and teachings of Mohammad, the Persian/Arab mentality of xenophobia, anti-Semitism, anti-Westernism and all of that are a serious threat to the rest of us non-Muslims.
Muslims need to stop playing the victim card and Hollywood needs to stop being so liberal -- especially now, when in ten years time from now, most if not all of the Holocaust survivors and WW2 vets will be dead.
This is not the time to focus on how a handful of Muslims are being discriminated against, it's the time to focus on making sure Islam does not spread all over the West and that we remember what happens to innocent people when violent ideologies like Nazism and radical Islam become mainstream views in civil societies.
There's no place in Western civilization for things like burkas, hijabs, niqabs, honor killings, suicide/homicide bombers, Sharia law, stoning, etc.
And besides, Muslims also need to remember that the two places they have it best ON THE ENTIRE PLANET are in Europe, the United States of America and in the state of Israel. What does that tell you about the nature of both the Arab/Persian middle east and Islam in general? It is a self-destructive socio-political "religious" cult-like mindset.
Mainstream Islam, as practiced in most traditional Muslim homes, is too barbaric and unlike mainstream Judaism and Christianity, most Muslims seem to have no intention of secularizing or reforming their religion. Some do, but most simply won't either out of fear, ignorance or hatred. On the contrary, Islamic radicalization is on the rise all over the globe. In Egypt, France, the UK, the States, Libya, Turkey, Gaza, etc etc etc.
Hollywood and the liberal media paint a picture of "the suffering Muslim". It's not the Muslims that are suffering in this post 9/11 world we live in. It's anyone who DARES to speak out against Islam. Make movies about people like that.
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There's nothing fictional about the daily atrocities committed every single day around the globe BY MUSLIMS.
You aren't "too lazy" to respond to my post -- you just know I'm right, you're deeply DEEPLY ashamed of what your brothers and sisters are doing and your pride won't let you admit it!
"You aren't "too lazy" to respond to my post -- you just know I'm right, you're deeply DEEPLY ashamed of what your brothers and sisters are doing and your pride won't let you admit it!"
LOL, no really i am too lazy because you are not the douche I've come across. I pity the fool.
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@whimsicg
Persian/arab mentality?
Persians have nothing to do with Arabs dear.
Xenophobia is non-existent in the Persian culture nor in their real religion called Zarathustranism. It however is all existent in the arabic culture called Islam and in your culture called western civilization. Racism is practically a western notion dear son.
I suggest you go read something before opening your mouth :)
This is not the time to focus on how a handful of Muslims are being discriminated against, it's the time to focus on making sure Islam does not spread all over the West
A handful? Try hundreds of thousands.
Anders Breivik in Norway sure did do his best to make sure 'Islam does not spread all over the West'. He sure did. Killed over a hundred innocent people in his quest. He did it after hearing years of crap like 'THE MUSLIMS ARE COMING! THEY ARE TAKING OVER! OH NOOOO SOMEONE DO SOMETHING!!!' from right-extremist groups that have been whining about it for years. The funniest thing of all was when the massacre and the explosions happened in Norway, most of those same right-extremists immediately assumed it was Islamist terrorists. When they found it was a caucasian, right-extremist Christian they all shut their mouths quickly and had nothing to say about it.
Muslims also need to remember that the two places they have it best ON THE ENTIRE PLANET are in Europe, the United States of America and in the state of Israel.
You clearly don't know much about the arab world. Ever heard of the Arab Emirates? Kuwait? Qatar? You should see what those countries look like. They are living like kings there. I daresay they have it even better than you or me. This doesn't go for all arab/muslim countries, but certainly a lot.
LOL@you thinking muslims have it good in Israel.
Look, I'm not a muslim myself. I don't like hijabs or burkas, I agree that there are problems with Islam, just like there are with most religions. Yes, there are Islamist extremists, but the kind of rhetoric you have is full of hate which I find equally, if not even more threatning, because it spawns further segragation and more hate between the West and the Islamic world.
I really don't see what your problem is with this movie anyway. Is it really that hard for you to fathom that there are muslims in the West just trying to live their lives like normal people and practice their religion peacefully? Muslims who aren't trying to 'take over' or force Sharia law on everyone? And that those muslims were heavily targeted and harassed around 9/11? You speak of all muslims as if they are a homogenous group with one brain and one goal. It's unbelievable to see how much paranoia and fear-mongering has brainwashed you. But then again, it isn't your fault. From how you speak I can tell you know little else about Islam except the headlines you read. And you never see nice, peaceful muslims make headlines, because media doesn't like to focus on that. Your assertion that media tries to make us all think muslims are all sweet little lambs, is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
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Fail! I have nothing against your views or what side are you on but stupidity is a whole different situation
Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, etc are sh!twholes! Although they are terribly rich yet they are ALL dribbling to get a snip from the western freedom.
You clearly don't know much about the arab world. Ever heard of the Arab Emirates? Kuwait? Qatar? You should see what those countries look like. They are living like kings there. I daresay they have it even better than you or me. This doesn't go for all arab/muslim countries, but certainly a lot.
LOL@you thinking muslims have it good in Israel.
Fail! Look I have nothing against your views or what side are you on or that see-no-evil attitude, but stupidity is a whole different situation. Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, etc are sh!twholes! Although they are terribly rich yet they are ALL dribbling to get a snip from the western freedom. share
Actually, no they don't. They're muslim and have very strict conservative values. It seems they are quite happy with that. I personally wouldn't want to live in those countries, I'm not muslim, but stop presuming everyone outside the western world has it bad. And again, do you SERIOUSLY believe muslims have it good in Israel? I just can't get over that, because it's by far the most delusional and idiotic thing I've heard in a long time.
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who is that retarded, bite_me_loser_86?
hey backward *beep* look how happy they are
Saudi Arabia: Woman Arrested for Driving
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2011/05/24/saudi-arabia-woman-arrested-for-driving/
Saudi Arabia's Degenerate New Law: Don't Criticize the Leaders
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/05/16/saudi-arabias-degenerate-new-law-dont-criticize-the-leaders.html
Iranian actress faces 90 lashes, prison after appearing in "My Tehran for Sale," which came under criticism in conservative circles.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8817196/Iranian-actress-to-be-lashed-90-times.html
40000 lashes for a sudanese woman for trouser wearing:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-08-03/news/17931046_1_sudanese-lashes-hussein
they are happy! are you happy too, dipsh!t?
I wasn't talking about Saudi-Arabia though. I was talking about the Arab Emirates, Qatar and Kuwait, just to name a few. Wake-up call: not every arabic country in the entire world is the same. They have different living standards and different types of governments. Just like not every European country is the same.
Also, Iran isn't an arab country, nor is Sudan, so that was a giant fail. You choose to avoid the examples I brought up and concentrate on countries I never even mentioned. I was talking about arab countries, not muslim countries in general. Not all arabs are even muslim.
Also, I was talking about living standards, not freedom or democracy. There seems to be people that believe that arabs all live in caves in the desert. You also shouldn't assume that there aren't muslims who dont like living in theocracies. There are people in America that would LOVE to turn it into a Christian theocracy under Christian laws. In fact isn't American politicians always invoking God and the Bible into everything and always saying how US is a Christian nation etc?
Of course a lot of arabs and muslims come to America or Europe for a better life, no one is arguing a lot of muslim countries don't have problems. But it's arrogant to be unaware of the fact that there are countries that are financially successful.
I'm not an arab, nor a muslim, but I personally know enough muslims to know how they are treated in the west. The fearmongering against muslims here is what inspired the massmurder in Norway in July. People act like we in the west are actually under imminent threat of being ruled by Sharia law and the muslims are destroying our traditions and "christian" values. It's paranoia of the worst kind and it creates nothing but hate, fear and segregation.
Actually, the Sudan is considered an "Arab" country and is a member of the Arab League. Then again, so is Somalia and Djibouti.
For the love of science where do you find all this time to write that *beep* are you in home detention or living in you mom basement?
you stupid ass I was too talking about "different living standards" and I'm one of those "arabs" who are "happy" with our "very strict conservative values" you liberal ignorant snot.
Yes, but you chose to focus on Saudi-Arabia and Sudan and leave out the examples I brought. You are just being overly aggressive and angry, like a mad-man. I never tried to make the case that every arab country in the world is paradise and everyone there is happy. Clearly a lot of them aren't. I was merely making the point that contrary to the popular belief that all arab countries are filled with primitive people living in tents and caves, there are extremely wealthy arab nations with citizens who are very well off financially, they don't even have to pay any taxes or work, like in Kuwait or the Arab Emirates. That's what I was talking about when I referred to living standards. No one in their right mind would try to make the case that Saudi-Arabia or Sudan are great places to live. Yet you choose to focus on that.
And YES, there are people in muslim theocracies who are HAPPY with it. You may not be one of them, I certainly wouldn't be either, but let's not forget that there are relgious people in this world that don't want separation of religion and state.
Somalia.. arabic state... A sh!thole, they almost live in caves and tents. you get 40 lashes if you went to a movie!
Egypt.. arabic state... A sh!thole, they burn bahaiis houses, churches, put Shia muslims in jail for just being shia muslims, jail anyone supports israel, jail ex-muslims for "denouncing islam"!
Palestine.. arabic "state"... A sh!thole, Hamas arrests people for making a wedding party! girls in schools have to wear head scarfs even if they are christians
Libya.. arabic state... A sh!thole, just wait the next couple of months and you will see it yourself.... the democracy on the islamic way!
Yemen.. arabic state... don't make me even start!
Kuwait, Qatar, UAE, Bahrain, the arabic states that you seem to be in love with put people in jail for eating in ramadan day light!
and even the rich arabs give the west a visit every now and then for sex, alcohol, gambling, etc they can't do in their country in their rich homes.
if you don't know what you're talking please shut your mouth.
I know exactly what I'm talking about. It seems you either don't know how to properly read or you are just angry and combative for the sake of being angry and combative.
I suggest you go back and re-read my posts a couple of times until it sinks in, because I'm getting sick of repeating myself.
Peace!
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'I really don't see what your problem is with this movie anyway. Is it really that hard for you to fathom that there are muslims in the West just trying to live their lives like normal people and practice their religion peacefully? Muslims who aren't trying to 'take over' or force Sharia law on everyone? And that those muslims were heavily targeted and harassed around 9/11? You speak of all muslims as if they are a homogenous group with one brain and one goal. It's unbelievable to see how much paranoia and fear-mongering has brainwashed you. But then again, it isn't your fault. From how you speak I can tell you know little else about Islam except the headlines you read. And you never see nice, peaceful muslims make headlines, because media doesn't like to focus on that. Your assertion that media tries to make us all think muslims are all sweet little lambs, is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard."
Oh, really?
Allah’s law (Sharia) is binding to all…4:135
Allah accepts only Sharia and no other laws…7:29, 57:25
Allah is the Law-giver; He appointed Muhammad to implement the only correct laws (Sharia laws)…45:18
Quran 9:33 ISLAM WILL PREVAIL OVER ALL RELIGIONS
Allah’s law (Sharia) is binding to all…4:135
Allah accepts only Sharia and no other laws…7:29, 57:25
Allah is the Law-giver; He appointed Muhammad to implement the only correct laws (Sharia laws)…45:18
Quran 9:33 ISLAM WILL PREVAIL OVER ALL RELIGIONS
THE FOUNDER OF CAIR HAS TOLD US PLAINLY OF ISLAM'S OBJECTIVE IN AMERICA:
"ISLAM ISN'T IN AMERICA TO BE EQUAL TO ANY OTHER FAITH, BUT TO BECOME DOMINANT. The Koran ... should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth. Everthing we need to know is in the Koran. We don't need to look somewhere else."
OMAR M. AHMAD, CHAIRMAN OF CAIR,the mainsteam Muslim advocacy group.
THE FOUNDER OF CAIR HAS TOLD US PLAINLY OF ISLAM'S OBJECTIVE IN AMERICA:
"ISLAM ISN'T IN AMERICA TO BE EQUAL TO ANY OTHER FAITH, BUT TO BECOME DOMINANT. The Koran ... should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth. Everthing we need to know is in the Koran. We don't need to look somewhere else."
OMAR M. AHMAD, CHAIRMAN OF CAIR
the mainsteam Muslim advocacy group.
@whimsicg
God... enough with the "Muslims are taking over the West" propaganda!!! Why don't you give YOUR xenophobia and racism a rest and try to get out of your house more often!
All you know about Islam and Muslims is from "faux" TV... so next time, spare all of us your ignorant crap and take a flight to the Middle East to actually see for yourself what goes on there and what not... mmkay?
God... enough with the kneejerk tagging of "xenophobia" or "racism" whenever somebody brings up the real and serious problem of Muslim fanatics and all-purpose nutcases.
The problem is fanatics and extremism. There are fanatics in all creeds and religions- fanatic capitalists, fanatic vegans, fanatic Muslims, fanatic Christians. Fortunately, in all those cases, the fanatics are not in control.
Think about this- Bush said you are either with us or against us, which is exactly the same thing as a Muslim world leader saying that muslims should be dominant- it's just different ideologies being sold. It's all *beep* Most people in this world just want to get on and live their lives without being hurt or hurting others, but there are people in power in all nations that need to stir up fear and hatred in order to keep power, and that is wher eth problem is.
We my all disagree, but do we want to kill each other or be killed? I don't think so, but there are people out there who live their lives trying to make you believe that those who disagree with you or who live their lives different want you dead. these people are called politicians, religious leaders and other forms of power monger. It's how they keep their power.
@sidz79 DUMBASS Islam is not a race
shareahh you see, people like you are 1 of the reasons that this movie should be done and publicised. it is the unwillingness to learn about the minorities that live in your countries, and that ego that you have to think that i can make assumptions of those people based on what i see in the media and I AM RIGHT! no one shall correct me.
You are clearly biased. you clearly already hate muslims and refuse to change that fact.
and lastly, you want to make a movie on how jews and christians are being discriminated in the Middle East? Feel free. no one is stopping you from doing so. this is ridiculous. by making a movie on a group of people's plight, does that mean we are ignoring other people's plights?
I imagine Muslims face discrimination in the West, but why isn't anyone making movies about Jews and Christians being discriminated against BY MUSLIMS in the West, the Middle East, Africa, Asia, etc?
It's been a decade since 9/11 and Americans, especially the liberal left, STILL have no idea how to handle Islamic terrorism, the rise of Islam in Western civilization or the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
Obviously not all of the billion (give or take) Muslims on planet earth are bad people, but the Islamic mindset, the legacy and teachings of Mohammad, the Persian/Arab mentality of xenophobia, anti-Semitism, anti-Westernism and all of that are a serious threat to the rest of us non-Muslims.
Muslims need to stop playing the victim card and Hollywood needs to stop being so liberal -- especially now, when in ten years time from now, most if not all of the Holocaust survivors and WW2 vets will be dead.
This is not the time to focus on how a handful of Muslims are being discriminated against, it's the time to focus on making sure Islam does not spread all over the West and that we remember what happens to innocent people when violent ideologies like Nazism and radical Islam become mainstream views in civil societies.
There's no place in Western civilization for things like burkas, hijabs, niqabs, honor killings, suicide/homicide bombers, Sharia law, stoning, etc.
And besides, Muslims also need to remember that the two places they have it best ON THE ENTIRE PLANET are in Europe, the United States of America and in the state of Israel. What does that tell you about the nature of both the Arab/Persian middle east and Islam in general? It is a self-destructive socio-political "religious" cult-like mindset.
Mainstream Islam, as practiced in most traditional Muslim homes, is too barbaric and unlike mainstream Judaism and Christianity, most Muslims seem to have no intention of secularizing or reforming their religion. Some do, but most simply won't either out of fear, ignorance or hatred. On the contrary, Islamic radicalization is on the rise all over the globe. In Egypt, France, the UK, the States, Libya, Turkey, Gaza, etc etc etc.
Hollywood and the liberal media paint a picture of "the suffering Muslim". It's not the Muslims that are suffering in this post 9/11 world we live in. It's anyone who DARES to speak out against Islam. Make movies about people like that.
My friend, you are speaking from place of ignorance and hatred, I deeply understand your pointview and from where you are coming. we've been taught as a child to love our religious and to believe it's the true and rightful one, as child we were teached to hate jew and christian and muslims.
I am muslim and i don't have any sort of hatred toward any other religious, i am always opened to learn about them and you should too, as human, a being who is ready to evolve and learn about their life. we should be ready to open up and explore on our own and not be a brainwashed robots.
as for discrimination against jew ans christian in arabic land, I believe there is no such thing , the islam law protect them from any harm or danger, there are some poeple in arabic country who live in harmony with christian such in lebanon share