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Who was the mystery woman?


Who was the mystery woman that the father was talking to in the park? Is there a reason that this was never explained? Anyone have any theories...?

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The film never discloses who she is. Given the status of his marriage, where he and his wife barely speak to each and even sleep apart, I am assuming this mystery woman provided him with companionship. In the scene where the two of them are first spotted by the son, it is the only time in the entire film that the father actually smiles. It appears that they may have met at the National Library. The film doesn't provide enough information to determine if there is a sexual affair going on in the background, but it doesn't really matter. He is an unhappy person with his work and his family life, finding an ounce of happiness on a park bench with an outsider. In a sense, the mystery woman is like another "footnote" in his life.

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I took it that the woman in the park, who was also at the ceremony at the end, was the reporter that the award news was "leaked" to by the father to further his notoriety.


"the only way through it is through it " -Jackson Browne

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Not sure where you got that from. That's a lot of unsupported speculation on your part. I agree with the previous poster that she is more a symbol of his general discontent with his life. "Another footnote"--nicely put. The son certainly over-reacted, just because he saw him talking to her in a park. It's not like they were doing anything but talking.

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I got that from watching the movie.

My companion at the movie that day came to the same conclusion independently of what I thought about it.

It seemed pretty obvious to me since the story was "leaked" and he did want to maximize his glory and he did mysteriously meet with "someone" discreetly and she was at the ceremony, etc.

I dont' see how you can discount it unless you know for certain otherwise.





"the only way through it is through it " -Jackson Browne

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Well I wouldn't say it was "pretty obvious." Can't say its not the case, but I think its a stretch.

Plus, the award was announced to the press, it was not leaked.

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Watch the movie again. It's really not that far a stretch.


"the only way through it is through it " -Jackson Browne

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Eliezer sees her when he first walks into the National Library: she's sitting at one of the microfiche termminals, and he pauses and gazes at her for a bit, suggesting to me that she's someone from his past who's been important in his life. When next we see them, it's from Uriel's POV when he spies them in the park together. This is just after Eliezer has gotten the mistaken phone call, which he gets because somehow he's absent mindedly walked off with Uriel's bag. I have to see the film again to see how that transpired, it didn't seem to quite make sense. Was Eliezer in the locker room? But, Eliezer is such a remote person, he barely communicates with anyone at all, so that explained to me why the son was so astonished to see him in an intimate tete-a-tete in the park, but it also opened up a huge plot hole for me: Eliezer seems like the type of person who probably does not have a cell phone, in fact he seems absolutely puzzled when it rings and he has to search thru Uriel's bag to find it. So how could he believe the call was for him? Is he simply that absent minded or in the early stages of senile dementia? Because it is suggested that the mystery woman is the first person Eliezer tells about the Israel award, I too came to the conclusion that she was the source of the leak to the press. And I also assumed that she was what Grossman was referring to when he told Uriel that he could tell him some things about his father that no son should hear. But you jump to conclusions like these because you assume a movie is going to wrap up its loose ends before it's over.

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Where is your textual evidence?

Point to the explicit scene (deleted or otherwise) that addresses who specifically "leaked" the error.

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Besides the scene in the park, we see that very same woman (the light streak in the gray hair makes her readily identifiable):

a) sitting at a microfilm terminal in the library
b) as part of the "toast" group when Uriel finds his father in the bowels of the library
c) sitting a few rows ahead of Uriel as a guest at the awards ceremony

a) and b) [and maybe c) too] are not contexts where we'd ever see a scoop reporter

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I got that idea too and yes it was explicit.

Remember when the son met the committee the press had already called him to comment. The committee didn't tell anyone. Who else would have?

No one knew about the award except the Father and the committee and somehow it was leaked to the press before the son was even told. Since the committee meant it for the son- the source had to be the Father.

That had to be who the woman was, someone the Father told as soon as he heard. Someone he wanted to impress.

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I think she was one of his colleagues. Wasn't she among the group having drinks to celebrate when the son came in upon them? It seemed that showed that any romantic connection was just an imagined suspicion. One of the themes of the movie was the son seeking to find imperfections in his overbearing father, and something like this would have supported that effort - but it was unfounded.

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She may be a woman in an extra-marital affair with the father --- an affair (or previous affairs)--- giving rise to Grossman's remark, in the meeting of the academicians, to the son about "things" he (Grossman) knows about the father that the son would be shocked to know.

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I didn't think of the mystery woman as someone Eliezer had an affair with. At a later point in the movie she's seen as part of a small group of aging academics celebrating with Eliezer in the library, and this led me to think that the reason he lights up around her (and also around the others) is that she's old-school like him. She and those other handful of scholars see things his way... meticulously reviewing texts in a library. They're "his people" not like the hotshot academics presiding over academic departments.

I'm not saying this 100% rules out that he may have once had an affair... but in truth, I don't see him as the type. The son jumping to that conclusion might say more about what the son wants to see rather than what actually is.

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I noticed a few things: First, while Grossman supplies believable reasons for his attitude, Uriel's charge that there's some sort of personal grudge between the two is never really refuted. Second, Grossman says something like "I could say things a son should never have to hear" ...but never actually says any such thing. Third, the conversation in bed between Uriel and his wife about infidelity explicitly delivered to us the idea that Eliezer was capable of (in fact likely to have) an affair. And fourth, Grossman seems to be the only character that's not married.

From all that, my theories are that Grossman and Eliezer competed for the same lady and Eliezer won in a way Grossman didn't like (likely taking away Grossman's "wife"), and that Eliezer had some sort of affair many years in the past which Grossman was somehow aware of.

I never formed any theory about whether the mystery lady is the "same" lady, or just a "similar" lady (it doesn't seem to really matter anyway). I also never formed any theory about whether the "competition" and the "affair" were two separate events, or just two aspects of a single event (and again it doesn't seem to really matter anyway).

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Good reasoning. I think the woman was a colleague. She was there a lot. Would a reporter even be allowed in the library so often? If that was what she was, a reporter, why show her again later in the movie? There would be no reason. However she shows up quite a bit, which means she had some significance in Eliezers life.

The comment "I could say things a son should never have to hear" immediately made me think he knew of an affair. The bed talk with Uriel and his wife also had no point unless someone was having an affair. Uriel obviously was not.

That is the thing about movies. Everything has a point. Everything is in the movie for a reason.

If she was a reporter, which is a good theory, why show her later in the movie? Like chuck said, Eliezer only smiled when he was talking to her. I think it would be strange to have Eliezer not smile the entire movie and then only smile at a stranger/reporter. But to have him only smile at someone he has had an affair with, either emotionally or sexually or both, makes a lot of sense. To have her show up later in the movie, multiple times, shows she was a part of his life.

I cannot see a writer or director saying, OK we have a reporter character, we will show Eliezer talking to her. That will show how the story got leaked. We will also have her show up again a few times later in the movie. No reason, just because we like her.

That would mean they are a bad writer or bad director and this movie was both written very well directed very well. It was also acted very well. I think it just needed a better ending.

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I wonder if she wasn't the PhD candidate that Grossman had failed, the one Uriel claimed he failed solely because she was Eliezar's student. Of course, if she were, you'd think Uriel would recognize her in the park. But it might be that Uriel only knows the story by hearsay and didn't know her personally.... I'm convinced she's not the reporter, but is part of the academic world. That's where we see her. It's also unlike Eliezar, even though he's pleased and flattered by the call about the award, to "leak" the news. He's clearly not comfortable with the media.

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Most of the comments on this question seem to miss the point: This relationship of the father's is an instance of how the father has chosen to bend his unflinching commitment to "the truth". It's an act of deception vis-a`-vis his wife and his son. And her presence at the final ceremony suggests that, even though he knows the truth about the award (he has used his philological skills to good end in his investigation of the word "fortress"), the father will continue with the deception and accept the very prize he had come to disdain and loath.

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