I watched the first 30 minutes and had to abort. SO MUCH pretentious dialogue and yet almost nothing actually being said. I don't know if I can afford to risk another two hours of my life to find out whether or not this movie ever gets any better. Please advise.
shareTo be fair, I think the dialogue is supposed to sound pretentious because it's all part of creating the character. This is her life. This is who she is. I don't want to post any spoilers, but this build up is important to her downfall.
shareSadly it does not get any better for you. Others do like the movie (it is critically acclaimed). But there are plenty of other movies that you will like, I'm sure. Good luck!
shareYou think the dialogue is "pretentious" bc you don't understand it. "..almost nothing actually being said"? Rather nothing you could grasp. How do you imagine people with that level of subject understanding and achievement talk?
Do us & yourself a favor & stick with Fast & Furious movies. They're more your level.
HEY...VIN DIESEL DOES ACTING REAL GOOD!
shareI've never seen a F&F movie. Ever. And I love the idea that if someone tosses out a word-count salad that amounts to nothing it must be because I'm just too stoopid to understand it! I'll keep that in mind the next time I listen to Sarah Palin ramble.
shareKing pretentious over here
shareWell, I just finished it - I suppose one word sums it up - overrated. It was ok. Unnecessarily lengthy. And yeah, pretentious dialogue. Well, maybe its (the dialogue) appropriate as Tar does turn out to be a bit of a phony. ANyway, I watched it because of the hoopla and my take is - it was just ok, nothing special. Should anyone watch it in its entirety? Yeah, if you had a day like I had today - I didn't have a thing to do, hahahahah.
shareHow is Tar a phony?
shareNear the end of the movie she returns to what I believe was her childhood home. Her brother is there (I think it was her brother). Anyway it turns out her real name is Linda Tarr. So I found the Lydia Tar, with the accent on the A as a bit pretentious. And, in my experience, pretentiousness is akin to phoniness. So, in that respect, Tar is a bit of a phony.
shareSo to you, every rapper & every Hollywood star who changed their name is a phony?
shareI don't know. I'd have to know who changed their name and why. They could have changed their name because of the Screen Actors Guild. Let me ask you this - why couldn't Lydia Tar (with the accent) remain Linda Tarr?
shareProbably for the same reason Bad Bunny goes by that name vs. Benito Martinez Ocasio.
shareIf you have enough talent - you don't have to change your name to get attention. In Tar's case - she is talented. She could have just went with Linda Tarr - and she'd still have been fine. It's like I said before - the change in name plus adding the accent is very pretentious - making her a bit of a phony. Ok, anyway, I've said my piece on this - I don't have anything else to add, other than I do understand (and respect) your POV. Best wishes to you.
shareThey definitelly can be. Theres this guy who changed his name to Bankman in hopes he will do better in finances. It worked.
shareI liked the movie a lot, but of course she's a phony to some extent. It's conveyed in the very first scene, where her assistant is mouthing the exact words of a monologue that's supposed to come off as some brilliant, extemporaneous response to an interviewer's question. She has talent, but she's built an artifice around it in order to wield power, protect her position, and to manipulate others.
shareAre you off base! Francesca isn’t mouthing Tar’s response to a question. She’s mouthing Adam Gopnik’s introductory comments about her.
shareMaybe I am. I don't remember, and I can't find the complete scene online, but I'll take your word for it. However, the point remains. There's artificiality beyond her talent, a persona called Lydia Tar, that's a distance from Linda Tarr. Do you think her brother views her as pretentious? Her assistants, the "little people" that help her maintain her aura, while hiding the dirt? Do you disagree with the last sentence of my prior post? Do you think she's depicted as genuine -- or duplicitous? Putting on airs -- or authentic?
And regarding your rapper name examples, of course there's pretentiousness to that. It's an artifice to fit in with the marketing of the genre, just like her real name wasn't highfalutin enough for a conductor of the status she sought. But the difference with rapper names is that they're obviously not their real names, where as Lydia Tar is intended to make you believe it's her real name.
Laughable! You make an inaccurate assertion about the first scene – but when pressed, claim you don’t remember it & can’t find it! Please.
Then, to limply justify your POV, you fire off a bunch of questions about what completely fictional characters may have “thought” about Lydia! That's your case - supposed opinions of people who don't exist? LMAO!!
Your posts are just sad. Not wasting my time reading any more of them - which no doubt you'll feel compelled to write.
Obviously, I thought I recalled it accurately, but you cast doubt in my mind. So yeah, I tried to check. But you added nothing new to that, or anything else, with your reply other than more words to contribute to one long weird obfuscation from things you can't answer, including your silly attempt at a parallel to rapper names, b/c you can't deal with the most obvious, glaring example of pretense that's intentionally built into the very title (and one sheet) of the film. Unlike Linda Tarr/Lydia Tár, Benito Ocasio will never hope that you buy into the idea that he was born, "Bad Bunny". You didn't answer, b/c you couldn't answer.
"Field will, however, resolve one question: No, Lydia Tár never met Leonard Bernstein, whom she claims as a mentor — the closest she got to him was through the VHS tapes we see in the house she grew up in. “He was a genuine figure in her childhood imagination, a very real person for her in a non-cynical way, in a non-opportunistic way,” Field says. “And maybe it’s just something she tried on. That’s how lies happen.”
Be sure to tell the writer/director of Tar not to read anything into his fictional character, Tar. Tell him how she really is, b/c only you can accurately read characterization of nonexistent people in stories. Odd that you're white knighting a fictional character, huh? Personal friend of yours? Relative? Or just hypocrisy?
No "LMAO" or "!!" will throw anyone off the scent of your dodge of a reply, complete with the petulant, "not reading any more of them" -- yes, you will, like you're doing now, b/c you're a phony as well.
You know I was done with this until I read some of marty's posts. SOme good points Marty. Especially, and it didnt occur to me, Linda Tarr wanted people to believe she was born Lydia Tar whereas whomever that rapper is had no such inclination. SO why does LInda Tarr do that - cuz shes a bit of a phony - just like I claimed in my very first post. As for the Bernstein business, I may have been spacing out there. I remember her watching videotapes at her childhood home, but I didn't remember who she was watching. It was a long film and hard to stay focused the entire time. Anyway, so she never actually met Bernstein? Well that makes sense - more of her putting this aura around herself. Once again, a bit of a phony.
Nice take marty - thank you.
It's baked right into the poster, with its giant capital letters that are in stark contrast to the microscopic lettering in the title frame in the film. She's smaller than she wants others to believe. She's like the human version of those creatures in the wild that puff out to make themselves seem bigger in order to intimidate and control the action. If you're pretending to be more than you are, I think it puts you in the phony category, even though there's probably some self-delusion involved. But it all gets chipped away in the end.
And I thought he was right about my misfire regarding the interview scene, but since he deflected so much of the rest later, now I'm not so sure that he isn't BS'g that as well. I'll see it again eventually, b/c I can't find the entirety of that scene online.
"If you're pretending to be more than you are, I think it puts you in the phony category, even though there's probably some self-delusion involved. But it all gets chipped away in the end."
I couldn't have said it any better - 100% agreed.
She's a giant in music. How can you say she's smaller than she wants others to believe?
shareYour posts are just sad. Not wasting my time reading any more of them
No "LMAO" or "!!" will throw anyone off the scent of your dodge of a reply, complete with the petulant, "not reading any more of them" -- yes, you will, like you're doing now, b/c you're a phony as well.
Oh Marty, please. If you could justify your claim that Tar is "small", you'd have done it. Your insults just expose you as a juvenile troll.
shareThat's what I thought. Nothing. Just the brilliance of using an insult to explain how using insults exposes one as juvenile, and another confirmation of what I had already asserted...
You didn't answer, b/c you couldn't answer.