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Is it winter or summer in Indiana?


In tonight's episode, we clearly saw snow falling through the roof of Axl's van. In fact, Kenny is buried in it. Yet, just a few minutes later, Nancy Donahue is talking to Mike at the mailbox, and all the lawns are green, and the trees all have full leaves on them. Huh? What's wrong with this picture?

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I live there and this is actually fact right now. Mild temps and rain today, freezing rain and an ice storm this weekend...

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In Virginia we're also expecting sleet and freezing rain this weekend after it being 70 degrees on Thursday. But the grass is still brown and the leaves left the trees over a month ago.

Mary is right. The continuity lacks with the show.

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The only thing wrong was the trees having leaves. Grass will stay green during the winter. And it's not that uncommon for one area to get snow and another area to not get any, especially if they are 45 minutes apart. And it looks like all the RV scenes where at night while the outdoor scenes at the house where during the day. It's perfectly normal for it to snow at night and melt away in the morning.

Also, the Sue plot seems to take place over a couple of days, while the Frankie plot took place over a month. And a lot can happen, weather wise, in a month.

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The only thing wrong was the trees having leaves. Grass will stay green during the winter. And it's not that uncommon for one area to get snow and another area to not get any, especially if they are 45 minutes apart. And it looks like all the RV scenes where at night while the outdoor scenes at the house where during the day. It's perfectly normal for it to snow at night and melt away in the morning.


Considering during the Christmas episode, the entire neighborhood was blanketed in snow, it's pretty odd that two weeks later, there's NO snow whatsoever. Especially after it snowed through the RV's roof, enough to bury Kenny.

Face it, that scene with Nancy Donahue was a mistake. No matter how you cut it, the leaves on the trees was a direct giveaway. And while it's true that grass stays green under the snow, that there's NO snow WHATSOEVER is a bit strange. Especially in Indiana.

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It's not odd at all. I live in western New York. 3 days ago we had white out conditions. Today it's in the 50s and there's no snow anywhere. Winter weather can change very fast.

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It's not odd at all. I live in western New York. 3 days ago we had white out conditions. Today it's in the 50s and there's no snow anywhere. Winter weather can change very fast.


Well, I live in New England, and while we have warm days in winter--and today, it's in the 50s, as well...we do NOT have green leaves on the trees in mid-January.

And snow from a blizzard doesn't disappear COMPLETELY that quickly. You can still see remnants in snowdrifts that are melting and around bushes and here and there. Maybe if you had a spate of 50 degree weather in NY, I could understand that...but if it was white out conditions only three days ago, there'd still be remnants. Piles made by snowplows, for example. Those don't melt in three days; it takes weeks. I think you're exaggerating just a tad to make your point.

Face it, they made a mistake, period. You can harp on snow till you're blue in the face, but there's no way to get around the trees full of foliage. In Indiana, yet. Come on.

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We don't have any snow drifts right now. It's all gone.

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We don't have any snow drifts right now. It's all gone.


Do you still have full leaves on all the trees? I somehow doubt that, in the northeast.

Funny how you keep forgetting the part about the leaves. Snow seems to have blinded you.

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I agreed about the trees. I said so in my first response.

The only thing wrong was the trees having leaves.

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Then you agree a mistake was made. Fine. Then why are we even having this discussion? Here's my original statement, with which you apparently agree:

Yet, just a few minutes later, Nancy Donahue is talking to Mike at the mailbox, and all the lawns are green, and the trees all have full leaves on them. Huh? What's wrong with this picture?


Since all of that happened, with the lawns being green and the trees with full leaves on them (which you validate), then why even expound on the issue? They made a mistake, that's all. Why not leave it at that, instead of going on and on?

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Because your original post also seemed to be complaining about it snowing at Axl's and not at Franckie's. And I don't see anything wrong with that.

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Well, then you know very little about Indiana weather.

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It's also rare to see the breaths of the actors when it's supposed to be cold. It never happens b/c they rarely shoot during the season that takes place in the show (winter in most cases).

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This discrepancy can be easily forgiven. The shoot the series on the famous Warner Bros Ranch. The Donahue's live in the old "Bewitched" house and the Heck's live next to the old "Partridge Family" house. So while the show is set in Indiana they actually film in southern California and since this is done on a TV budget and not a movie budget these things will happen from time to time.

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This discrepancy can be easily forgiven. The shoot the series on the famous Warner Bros Ranch. The Donahue's live in the old "Bewitched" house and the Heck's live next to the old "Partridge Family" house. So while the show is set in Indiana they actually film in southern California and since this is done on a TV budget and not a movie budget these things will happen from time to time.


Well, if they're going to much such a HUGE mistake as showing leaves on the trees and full green lawns in the dead of winter in Indiana, then they should've restaged the sequence to avoid showing the lawns, homes and trees. That's just lazy filmmaking.

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The things you're mentioning are not something that I have noticed too often. When I do notice it, it doesn't bother me.

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The things you're mentioning are not something that I have noticed too often. When I do notice it, it doesn't bother me.


It doesn't "bother me," either, but it shows a certain kind of malaise on behalf of those making this television show. If it's been established that Indiana is undergoing winter, and this is only a few days past New Year's, it stands to reason that there'd be snow. Especially since there was literally a whole neighborhood covered in it (including trees and bushes and shrubs) only a week or so ago. Remember when the family was chasing Axl through all the Christmas decorations? There wasn't a speck of grass anywhere to be seen, just a lot of SNOW. And it's disappeared completely in a matter of days?

To NOT have any snow and to have leaves on the trees is just shoddy, in my opinion. They can't decide whether to have winter or June weather.

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Snow melts you know. It comes and goes all winter. A week is long enough for it to disappear.

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Snow melts you know. It comes and goes all winter. A week is long enough for it to disappear.


There IS a little something known as the "ground freezing," which keeps the snow cover, even when temps are moderate for a while. In order for an entire neighborhood's snow cover to disappear within a few days, there would have to be a lot of warm rain and warm temps.

I'm beginning to think you don't live in the northeast, what with your totally inexplicable responses to this topic. I live in New England, and snow just doesn't melt magically overnight, and leaves don't sprout on the trees magically, either. When there are snowbanks left by snowplows, those take WEEKS to melt, not a matter of hours.

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I can honestly tell you that we have had quite a few days this winter where we would have snow in the morning and gone in the afternoon. Also, we did get a white Christmas and a few days later, the ground is green again.

We have a saying here in Indiana, if you don't like the weather, just wait for tomorrow. (Or something like that.)

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We have a saying here in Indiana, if you don't like the weather, just wait for tomorrow. (Or something like that.)


Maine has exactly that same saying.

But tell me, are the trees in Indiana full with leaves all through the winter? I somehow doubt it. And are you actually saying the ground never freezes there? That snow is gone COMPLETELY the next day, without even some remnants? As someone who's dealt with snow all my life, I find that really hard to believe.

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Maybe where you are it sticks around, but not here. And it's not like the entire region gets the exact same weather. It varies a lot. You probably don't get as much of the lake-effect stuff that we get. And Indiana is a little further south than us.

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Hey, genius, the ground still freezes, and when you have "white out conditions," the snow isn't gone the next day. You're talking through your a$$.

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The white out conditions were caused by strong winds mixing with the falling snow. It lasted about 2 hours and, strangely, only left us with about 2 inches of snow. With the next 3 days in the 40s and 50s (the highest reaching 56) the snow didn't stand a chance.

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Indiana is snowbound in winter. When the ground freezes--as if most certainly does in Indiana--snow doesn't disappear within a few days. Considering Mike and Nancy Donahue were dressed as if it was cold outside, it's doubtful they were having a "warm spell," with temps in the 50s. Upstate NY is notorious for blizzards that don't melt overnight or even within a few days. I live in New England, and though we've had a spate of warm weather in the 40s and yes, even the 50s since New Year's, some lawn still have snow on them--unlike the lawns visible in The Middle. Not one speck of snow.

Whichever way you cut it, they made a mistake, just like showing leaves on the trees. You want to argue, fine, but what you're saying doesn't make a lick of sense. I wonder if you even live in an area where it snows. I'm beginning to think you don't.

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Not every single region of New York gets the exact same amount of snow. My area has gotten very little so far this winter. While my relatives in Oswego have gotten hammered quite a few times by lake-effect snow.

You can see the same thing in Indiana right now. Only a portion of the state seems to be getting hit by the ice storm.

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I live in the Finger Lakes Region of Upstate NY. This Thursday it was warm and 60 degrees. No snow.

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Well, I have a buddy who lives in Victor, near Rochester, and he said they have tons of snow. Go figure.

Whatever the case, when you have a lot of snow, it doesn't disappear overnight or even in a few weeks. There are always snowbank--you know, when the SNOW PLOW comes around--and those are often still visible in late April in New England.

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I live in Canandaigua NY...12 miles from Victor, my brother lives in Victor...there is no snow on the ground right now.

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I live in Canandaigua NY...12 miles from Victor, my brother lives in Victor...there is no snow on the ground right now.


Are you saying the Lake Canandaigua area isn't used to having quite a bit of snow cover and huge blizzards in the winter? The snow cover might be "gone right now," but I've visited there many times and faced enormous blizzards.

Whatever the case, snow just does not disappear overnight, especially IN winter. The entire neighborhood was covered with a LOT of snow on the Christmas episode of The Middle. And New Year's was just two weeks ago. That there'd be absolutely no snow, with leaves on the trees, tells me they made a mistake. And here you guys are, arguing about it. Wow.

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The winters of 2014 & 2015 were very cold and snowy. Last year we had the warmest winter on record and zero snow storms and not much general snow at all. This year we had a good storm in November but since then it has been pretty average. This coming week temps will be in the 40s-50s. That is warm for our area.

You said this stuff doesn't really bother you yet your are arguing very fervently for your points. I think this does bother you.

I said that this discrepancy in the show can be forgiven because I know they are filming in LA so they are not going to get it perfect all the time on a TV budget. If this stuff doesn't bother you, why can't you just acknowledge the mistake (which I do agree exists) and then just let it go? You're inability to let it go after pointing out the error tells me something else is going on.

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I was born and raised in Indiana. Loved there until I was 27. I lived in Lafayette and I can tell you the weather is very weird. One day it can be snowing and then next day it is 60 degrees and the snow melts. At any time it can be rain, snow, freezing rain, etc.. I was born in the great blizzard of 78 and that was in March. Indiana's weather sucks. It's unpredictable unless you stare at the weather channel. It's pretty accurate, actually a lot of stuff is pretty accurate on the show regarding Hoosier environment. A lot People have lots of stuff and everything is cluttery. Well at least with a chunk of family and friends I have there. My husband laughs when he looks at family photos on Facebook and likes to see what stuff people have. Oh and the phrase, It will be worth something one day is also common. People buy and never sell. I am a little guilty of that myself.

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Do you usually have full foliage on the trees in January in Indiana?

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Depends on the trees and weather. I recall trees losing leaves and regrowing them through warm spells. Sometimes they hardly lose their leaves because of warm spells. It's a weird place. A big part of the time, usually no leaves on trees. Good observation! I will look at family photos in the winter to look at the trees! HA!

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Well, I assume you have an autumn when the leaves change and fall off the trees. The leaves in last week's Middle episode were green!

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You're talking through your a$$.


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the leaves on the trees was a mistake

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I live in Southwest Ohio and this winter has been pretty unusual. We have had a few days that the temperatures have gotten into the upper 60's followed by some days in the single digits. We had a day last week that it dropped 40 degrees in one day. We haven't had much snow but we've had tons of rain. Upper 60's temperatures are certainly warm enough to thaw the ground, regardless of how cold it was earlier in the week. I agree that there shouldn't have been leaves on the trees though. The weather has not been consistently warm enough in this part of the country to have leaves or grass growing.

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If you get an early snow in November, the leaves are sometimes still on the trees and remain there when the early snow melts.

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If you get an early snow in November, the leaves are sometimes still on the trees and remain there when the early snow melts.


That's right, and you know why? Because November is still AUTUMN.

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where I live most of the snow is melted but the trees do not have leaves on them

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That's what drives me crazy with these shows filmed in California and they try to portray a snow scene. The only time we see that (fortunately) are the Xmas shows. And all I can think of is that the weather is probably in the 80's to low 70's. The actors don't portray being cold very good.

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And all I can think of is that the weather is probably in the 80's to low 70's. The actors don't portray being cold very good.


Especially when it shows them playing in the snow and throwing bogus snowballs that look nothing like the real thing.

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