Get the subject matter right


Ok, I don't know if this has been talked about and I never write on message boards, but as a flyfisherman who went to this movie because of the subject (read "not romance flick), I was disappointed the writers and directors did not get the flyfishing stuff right.

First, they used spey rods, which are a kind of flyfishing rod. No prob here, but they casted them like fly rods, not spey rods. Clearly the director didn't know, but for us flyfisherman the actors looked STUPID casting a spey rod like a flyrod. The motion is completely different.

Second, the gear was fit for a 50 lb king salmon, not the pink salmon they showed. The actors again looked stupid with such huge gear. It was like they had a deer gun hunting rabbits.

Third, a salmon is born in fresh water, spends its adult life in salt water, and returns to fresh water to spawn (lay eggs). So folks, if you introduce adult salmon from a fish farm (which is in salt water), the salmon would DIE. The only way you could introduce salmon into fresh water would be to introduce fry or parr (baby salmon). But that wouldn't make for good salmon shots would it? They should've changed it to Trout Fishing in Yemen. Trout don't migrate to salt water.

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Not if you used Steelhead Salmon. Salmon that are landlocked grow up to be Rainbow Trout. those that make it to the Ocean become Steelheads

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Steelheads, true, but doesn't change my salmon comments though

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There has also been some research done on Salmon in the Columbia River who due to all the dams don't migrate to the sea until their 2nd year so who knows what is possible

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Kokanee is a land-locked salmon; perhaps they should've used this type for the movie; however, the plot then probably wouldn't have involved the British fisherman.

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Thoughts:

- They should get the casting style and gear right. A movie that's supposed to look realistic to the whole audience should really have an expert advisor to say, "Wait! That's not the right rod!" or whatever. Then again, that level of inattention to detail is pretty typical in movies. And, of course, it went right by the vast majority of the audience who (like me) don't know much about fly fishing. But, since there are evidently 2 million anglers in Britain alone (and presumably many times more in the US), that part of the audience isn't nonexistent.

- I'd kind of give them a pass on the salmon-transfer method, for exactly the reason you say. It wouldn't be filmic to show eggs sitting there or smolts wriggling about, nor would it have really worked with the plot very well. To be accurate, they could've stocked the river with eggs, then waited several years to see if the Salmon returned to spawn, when the climax of the movie could've occurred. Obviously, a multi-year gap would have presented some rather insurmountable plot issues.

- "Trout Fishing in the Yemen" would be little too direct a reference to Brautigan, wouldn't it?

- They were somewhat stuck with the title (and, I suspect, the transfer method) by the book.

- Kind of a bigger point: salmon fishing wasn't the "subject matter" of the movie. The subject of the movie was the interaction of the characters, government institutions, cultures, etc. The salmon project was really just the premise and informing metaphor.

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You would think that the film makers would have tried to get this right - using the correct fishing rods! Especially knowing that people who fish, such as yourself, would be drawn to this movie.

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Believe me, that's not their only issue. They could have done five minutes worth of research on Yemen itself and known that country wouldn't even HAVE a leader with that much cash, a river good enough for the job, or let a chick wander around like that.
Crazy. They use a tiny country, use some pretty shots of fish and assume no one knows how to use google or knows about salmon breeding.

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Don't be such a pompous wind bag. I've been fly fishing for 20 years and have caught everything from bluegill and shiners to Large Mouth Bass and Northern Pike all on the same rod. Fisherman, and if you were one you would know this, have their own idiosyncrasies. The Prince learned to cast a certain way on a certain rod and that is what he continued to do. Fred, who outside of his office, never casts his own rod, was using the equipment the prince provided.

There are plenty of landlocked salmon.

There are farms that raise landlocked salmon. In fact, I was trying to figure out why they didn't go immediately to a fish farm instead on insisting on wild caught. Although, some of these fish get quite big I was surprised they didn't release fry but I guess catching one would not be such a good photo-op.

I liked the film but wish they gave the science a little more screen time. The question that Fred raised that was never answered is, what are the fish going to eat? Once, the fields are planted there would no doubt be an abundance of insects but until then it is still the desert. Are they going to introduce mayflies?

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I've been fishing for most of my life and lived in Scotland for 25 years - I can see the River Tay from my window as I am typing and yes - I have both fished in it and caught salmon from it.

The rods looked exactly like the rods that people use for fly fishing for salmon around here. They were perfectly standard double handed salmon fly rods and completely unremarkable - I find it difficult to understand why any fisherman would comment on them.

I've also never heard of a "Spey Rod". Just done a google search and people do use the phrase, but not comonly in Scotland. A spey cast is a casting technique used on overgrown rivers.

For me, and I think for any fisherman, the most glaring error was when the Sheik hooked a salmon and had to have the fact pointed out to him. That just wasn't what hooking a fish is like.

The salmon were held in tanks of coolled, oxygenated salt water and then released into flowing fresh water. The idea was that instinct would kick in and they would head upstream when they found themselves in flowing fresh water.

A bit far fetched (the plan is made clearer in the book) - but then it was a film not a documeas ntary!

The whole point about salmon is that they can live in sea water and fresh water. They don't hang around aclimatising because they don't have to. So can trout come to that - brown trout and sea trout are the same species.

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I have some information for this pinhead and the others: Discovery Channel - National Geographics - Nature - Wildlife channel - Fishing and Rods - Mad Magazine.
You won't find women/guy stuff nor anything really interesting but surely this movie is for real people only.

If every animal had wings the sh*t of this world would be evenly spread

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