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Finally a Dutch character who...



Actually has a Dutch accent instead of a German one, since you Americans can't seem to know to the difference!

Of course he is the bumbling pot-smoking comic-relief character but aye, at least it's a start.

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did you notice how the Irish guy had a drinking problem

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No, how did he come across as having drink problem? he got 2 bottles to share with the group

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And did you notice everybody seems to have lunch with wine?
That's Europe, baby.

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This Irish-American sure as hell did. And garrulous, too. And a writer.

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He was endearing nonetheless! He's my favorite character. "If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much" cracks me up.

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Yes, very authentic, especially the obnoxious butting in even when Tom clearly isn't interested in talking to him...

"I am not a complete idiot, some parts are missing."

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Normally I'd jump on your bandwagon of Americans not knowing the difference between x and y... but I'm Canadian and I wouldn't have been the wiser either. Sorry.

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Why do Europeans care so much that Americans can't distinguish accents. Can every European differentiate between a Texas accent and a Midwest American's accent? Or between a Mexican and Panamanian accent? Or a Hong Kong or mainland Chinese accent? Why would it be important for the average American living 4000 miles away to learn the difference? Why is it so important for Europeans to cry about American's not understanding something. I swear Europeans whine like little bitches over everything. I get so sick of coming on IMDB to talk about a movie and half the threads are Europeans crying that American's don't know the difference between obscure things Americans would have no reason to care about. Why do Europeans have this obsessive need to try and point out the faults of Americans. It's so tiring because in general I like European people and culture but it seems they get carried away with nitpicking every little thing about Americans, trying to act superior.

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I think a lot of that notion comes from Americans proclaiming that America is the best country in the world, yet there are countless videos on Youtube where it shows that so many Americans know very little about the rest of the world (like that a Parisian would speak French because they are from Paris), and sometimes even not as much as they should know about America. You're right, though, I wouldn't know the difference between a Hong Kong accent and a mainland Chinese accent (is there actually one?) but I would at least be able to guess from their last name that they are probably from somewhere in China, while many Americans (no, not all...I've seen a few smart ones on Jeopardy!!) wouldn't have a clue that Chan is a Chinese name while Yamamoto is Japanese.

After September 11th, there was a big surge of American patriotism and we were hearing comments like "Why would anyone do this to us? We're the greatest nation in the world!" and I got the feeling that we Canadians were sitting back and saying under our breaths... "Well,... you *are* rather arrogant!!" Don't take that to mean that I am/we are glad that those attacks happened. Absolutely not! It shocked and angered us all, but sometimes... the arrogance of the American collective makes it not-so-surprising that another country would feel the need to take America down a notch, knock it off the pedestal it has put itself on.

A great nation doesn't have to keep proclaiming its greatness. The actual greatness speaks for itself.

I am guessing that Canada's modesty is like a knee-jerk reaction to America's sense of patriotism. We love our country and take pride in it, but because we see how Americans toot their own horns so much, we respond with our calming harps! Although it was a great release to get our freaky patriotism on during the Olympics!

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"but I would at least be able to guess from their last name that they are probably from somewhere in China, while many Americans (no, not all...I've seen a few smart ones on Jeopardy!!) wouldn't have a clue that Chan is a Chinese name while Yamamoto is Japanese."

Now who is acting superior and arrogant? But it's alright for a Canadian to be dismissive because all Americans are dumb right? "except for the ones on Jeopardy." I agree with some of what you say but here is the problem,anytime I try to have a discussion about this all I ever hear are the same old lame stereotypes and hypocritical things over and over from both sides.

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I did say 'many' Americans, not 'all' Americans. I don't think all Americans are dumb, but I think that too many are ignorant about things they should be more informed about.

I'd like to think that the video I saw about Americans not knowing on what exact day "9/11" happened was just a joke because it's just too crazy not to know that kind of thing, living in the country where it occurred, that it happened *this* century, and that it comes up frequently in conversation.

If America continues to claim to be the greatest nation in the world, I think it needs to do something about being ranked only 13th in the world for Education. Maybe Jay Leno should do a little less 'Jaywalking' to show how many people don't know things they should know because people are too easily amused by the dumb answers he gets. For some reason people find ignorance amusing.

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You can find ignorant people on any street corner. America educates all their pupils through high school,which most countries don't do. Compare the top 10% of American students against other countries and they are right their or ahead of every other country in the world.

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"...they are right *there* or ahead of ..."


their=possessive= Their dog bit me.


... misused homophones drive me crazy.

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i have to say, you're dumber than sh**. You get your idea of Americans from Jay Leno and Jeopardy. The asian last names were obvious to anyone with a reason to know, and not so to anyone who doesnt, regardless of where they're from. And as for your assumption of 9/11, it was nearly 11 years before your post was made. It is not very often spoken of anymore. Only briefly here and there. Unless the one talking is one of those crazies who think the government killed all those people for some flimsy reason and cant stop talking about it. You call americans ignorant in the sames posts that show you know jacksh*t about us. In other words... Go *beep* yourself.

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You're waaaayyy off, buddy.

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This commercial advertisement view of America is pretty sad. Rah, rah, rah … maybe it's why football is so hyped. All these American memes of the last decades are fairly destructive and meant to keep American's in the dark about the rest of the world.

By the way Canada is not perfect, why are they tearing up the tundra up in the frozen tar sands and ruins thousands of miles of the most beautiful area of the world - so sad.

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*Americans*.....

Why do people use apostrophes for plurals? They're for contractions and possessives, generally.

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I don't like anti-Americanism, but I can understand it. I remember the outrage last year over the so-called "blackface" controversy in Australia, and all I could think was, of all the international stories the American press could have covered, they chose the one about an outraged American celebrity to harp on about? From what I saw and read, there was no attempt to put the story in any kind of context, just a bunch of puffed-up American commentators jumping at the chance to feel superior to us.

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Hmmm... can you please tell me about the blackface controversy? I'm not sure if I heard about it. It sounds vaguely familiar..

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Oh... it was a classic case of making a mountain out of a mohehill. Harry Connick Jr was a guest judge on one of our variety shows, in which one of the acts was a blackface imitation of the Jackson Five. Connick was outraged, saying that such a thing would never happen in America (which, incidentally, isn't true because it's happened on 30 Rock) and apparently the American press jumped all over the story. One headline I remember reading about wondered if Australians were "racist idiots" (I guess the writer had no sense of irony) and on one of the Fox News shows some commentator explained that Australia was a little behind America in human rights, citing the White Australia policy (which ended decades ago).

Of course, no one bothered to mention that the performers were mainly Indian and Sri Lankan, not white, and apparently no one bothered to ask if blackface was as tabboo in Australia as it was in America. Certainly, I'd never given any thought to it at all, and I doubt there are many here who would have until that incident.

As I said, to me it just came across as a few American journalists adopting this superior attitude and puffing themselves up by beating another country down.

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It's all about context. You could do black face like on 30 Rock or Robert Downey Jr in Tropic Thunder because it was showing how ridiculous and stupid it is. You couldn't just run out 5 guys in black face though and do a show in America. I remember hearing about this thing in Australia but I don't think the American press made that huge of a deal about it.

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Fair enough. I wouldn't know how big a story it was in America, I just remember how what I saw of the coverage in Australia seemed so sanctimonious and arrogant.

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Hmm okay, I don't remember hearing about this...

I suppose this day in age, it all depends on the intent of it, the context. It's different from Prince Harry wearing a Nazi outfit as a costume for a party.

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Hey, as far as I'm concerned that Prince Harry thing was overblown too.

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So Canadians are modest, eh?
Guess you're an exception then, because the way you've been responding to people here certainly shows no modesty. I'm not sure the rest of Canada would appreciate you speaking for them.
Also, can you explain how Canadians sewing flags to their backpacks and randomly breaking out into song and dance to "Oh Canada" is "modest"?
Actually, Canadians are a bit of a joke in Europe. They just don't know it, because, like their American cousins, most only speak English (unless they are from Quebec or surrounding area), and therefore have no clue what people are saying about them.

I wouldn't know the difference between a Hong Kong accent and a mainland Chinese accent (is there actually one?).

That's a bit ignorant, isn't it? Most mainland Chinese speak Mandarin, whereas Hong Kong Chinese speak Cantonese.
Here's a pretty good explanation (by a fellow Canadian, no less):
http://youtu.be/jL8hV-zjJ_4

Btw, if you find any mistakes, don't feel like you have to call me out like you did everyone else. English is my third language; I'm bound to make a mistake here and there.

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We're not as loud about loving our country as Americans are. Just admit it.

We were getting patriotic during the Olympics because that was the time and place (ehem...a Canadian city?!) to be patriotic. We don't go around doing that on a regular basis. We are not always going around saying 'Canada is the greatest nation in the world' because we don't need to convince ourselves or others of it on a regular basis.

Compared to Americans, for sure, we are modest.

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Are you from Vancouver by any chance, since you brought up the Olympics?
If that's the case, then you really have no excuse for not knowing the difference between Mandarin and Cantonese.

I was not at all referring to the Olympics. I was referring to backpackers (hence the bit about the flag sewn onto the backpacks) abroad, who just randomly break out into "Oh Canada". I actually asked some about it, and the explanation I got was that they just wanted to make sure nobody mistakes them for Americans, who, they claimed, pretend to be Canadian because they don't want to be seen as "ugly Americans". They believe that by singing the national anthem, and these "pretenders" not joining in, they are exposing them as frauds. Fine, I suppose they accomplish THAT goal, but in the process they make Canadians look like a bunch of loonies (pun intended).

Speaking of getting patriotic - nice rioting! That actually made international news, which is fairly unusual for Canada. Again, not reinforcing the "modest" image you so insist on.

As far as Canadians not always going around saying 'Canada is the greatest nation in the world', maybe not "always", but certainly quite often. I know plenty of Canadians - many of whom have never left their native city - declaring in all seriousness that their city is the best place in the entire world, and they would never move anywhere else, nor do they feel the need to.

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I'm from near Vancouver but as it happens I haven't spent much time with Mandarin or Cantonese speakers. I'm sure there are many people who wouldn't know the difference.

Any Vancouverite/Canadian with any true pride in their country is disgusted with the rioting. We know it made headlines internationally. That makes it even worse. We had a great experience during the Olympics and then those rioters gave us two black eyes. Every time I see clips from it, it makes me angry all over again that those idiots embarrassed Vancouver and Canada that way. It makes my blood boil just thinking about it. What's also really bothersome is that people in other countries actually think that the rioting was actually about hockey: 'Wow...those Canadians really get into their hockey!' when really there were people there who intended to cause mayhem whether the Canucks won or lost. (embarrassing Canada either way...but don't forget that Americans have rioted after sporting events for stupid reasons too) The rioters were taking advantage of the fact that the police were outnumbered.

I actually feel sorry for people who have never explored nor have the desire to explore outside of their own city or country.

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To be fair, Canadian rioting making international news actually is a pretty good indication that this was an extraordinary event for Canada.
There is a lot more sports-related rioting in other countries, especially in England and in South American countries. It just doesn't make the international news because it's such a common occurrence. ;-)

In all honesty, I do think that Canadians are - on average - more 'modest' than Americans. But Canadians also have a tendency to be very proud of their (comparative) humility, which can get on my nerves just about as much as American patriotism.

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I swear Europeans whine like little bitches over everything.


So you don't like Europeans pointing out the faults of Americans, but it's okay for you to refer to Europeans as whining little bitches?

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I totally agree. I'm thinking that they don't really understand us. We're a massive country that has a somewhat homogeneous culture, with minor regional variations.

Europeans can cross a number of countries with varying people, languages, cultures, etc, in the same distance that we travel from Maine to Virginia, with little change in anything.

If it's a US made film, made primarily for the US audience, what does it really matter if some foreign accents are off? It's not the focus of the movie.

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I don't recall ever seeing a movie in which a Dutch character had a German accent. Can you give me some examples?

"I can't believe you like money too. We should hang out."

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Here's an American who knows the difference. You're not trying to be an ugly Dutchman, are you?

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