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Decently acted, but pointless


Meandering drama about a father recovering from the loss of his son, "The Way" has promise but ultimately falls prey to the standard trappings of Indie movies over the past few years. It's not a terrible movie or anything, but it's completely forgettable and feels even longer than its already too long runtime for this type of film. Nothing new or insightful to this film, certainly not a movie deserving of any attention from people not directly tied to the subject matter.

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I wasn't blown away by the acting either. But "pointless"? You identify "The Way" as a meandering drama about a father recovering from the loss of his son. That's what "The Way" is about; recovery. I didn't find it pointless.

I read (or heard, I don't remember) an interview where Estevez claimed that his are characters “who are imperfect and broken, but God loves them exactly as they are.” As a Christian person watching "The Way," I found this an important insight. Part of what we believe Jesus has revealed about God is that God doesn’t love the persons he wants us to become, nor the persons we can be. Rather, God loves the persons we are.

As I note in my own brief reaction to "The Way" (which can be read here: http://kellyjwilson.blogspot.com/2011/12/way-2011.html), a result of experiencing such love is transformation and movement towards becoming the persons God intends us to be, and this movement is evidenced in the characters of "The Way." So I liked that aspect.

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If the only point was religion, I stand by my "pointless" statement. If it was merely a piece to preach religion at me, I guess that's why I found it pointless. He didn't really recover or change as a person during his journey and even though I watched it yesterday I've already forgotten the majority of what happened.

Maybe this is just a movie that can only appeal to Christians...because it really has no appeal otherwise. So my statement of "anyone not directly tied to the subject matter" still stands true.

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I don't think the point of "The Way" was "religion." Did you feel being preached at when you watched? I've read some religious reviews which even criticize "The Way" for it's lack of intentional evangelism.

I think a strength in "The Way" is the same strength that exists in the Caminho which the film has as its interest. People of great diversity make the journey, and people of great diversity can claim to have experienced healing in the process. I'm not talking about blind people seeing, or what I would consider the "curing" of ailments. Healing (growth, development, coming to terms with the ways in which we have been hurt...)is sought in making the journey, and it's a personal quest that attracts people of faith and people of no faith.

I felt "the Way" had something to say to everyone, and while it emphasizes the importance of journeying together, I didn't feel it was only speaking to people of particular confessional allegiances.

K.

http://kellyjwilson.blogspot.com/

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"I don't think the point of "The Way" was "religion." Did you feel being preached at when you watched? I've read some religious reviews which even criticize "The Way" for it's lack of intentional evangelism."

I agree, I did not feel the film was overly religious. And the major point of the movie appeared to be that these flawed travelers did not change because of their journey. No miracles here. Unless you count that they seem to be more comfortable with who they are at the end.

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I would have to agree. Decent enough and even quite charming, but also predictable and lacking original insights.


7/10

"I am not a complete idiot, some parts are missing."

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I disagree with the borderline hostility of the OP toward this film (and the hypersensitivity to religion), but you're pretty close here, I think. I actually loved the atmosphere, the scenery, the idea of the thing, the mood -- those are very big aspects of any film's success, and in a way the film was a little like the walk, in that the point of it is the experience of it, maybe not so much a specific meaning that is able to be articulated in language. But it's also true that the screenplay posed a specific reason why Sheen's character was there, and that circle was never really closed. What was the epiphany, if there was one? Simply that he completed what his son had started? That he stopped being so sullen and self-focused toward other people? I don't mean the screenplay should offer some reductionistic, neatly-packaged "meaning." In fact, I hate films that do that, because as soon as they do the thing stops bearing any relationship to actual life outside the running time of the film. But in the process of reaching a larger and ineffable meaning, it wouldn't have hurt to have maybe a bit more indication of what the walk did for the father.

Similarly, what does "it was never about these [the cigarettes]" mean? I suspect that's not an uncommon experience; it's not that it came off as unreal; but what did Estevez and the source novelist (if it was in the novel) think of this? I do think the film is a bit too much of a blank canvas in this way. One big reason why people watch a film is to experience a story and a way of thinking that somebody else has, and that shouldn't remain a complete mystery through to the end of the film.

All of which is why, like you, I wouldn't rate it a 9 or 10. Seven or 8 is probably about right. I was in the right mood, so for me it was an 8, but these criticisms are at least partly warranted.

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"Meandering" is not a particularly devastating criticism for a film about a month-long walk in which people generally are not trying to make time in the first place. And "completely forgettable" is too harsh. Also, I don't think you have to be directly tied to the subject. I wasn't, and I semi-loved the film. Loved it a little. Not a great film, but a good idea with pretty stuff and a nice mood -- and no snark, no privileging of hostility or adversarialism, which is a nice break.

However, some of your other criticisms are at least partly legit. It seems to me that Estevez may have fallen into the difficulty filmmakers have when they try to do an "experience" film, where the idea is that there doesn't have to be much of a "point" or a "story." Film doesn't want to do that. It has a beginning and an end, a first reel and a second one. And internally, this one sets up a specific storyline that puts the Sheen character on the Camino. You can't have that kind of setup, then introduce three other characters with stories of their own, and then just plain refuse to do anything further with those stories. Maybe the point was that the initial reasons became insignificant, but 1) if that was the point, then it needed to be clearer; and 2) that's a cop-out anyway, because all of these people went back to their regular lives after the walk. It's not like their circumstances disappeared just because they did the Camino. So why does it not matter anymore whether Joost's wife thinks he's too fat to sleep with? Why does it not matter that Sarah is going to continue to kill herself with cigs?

The one part of the story that seemed semi-finished was the one involving Jack (which, coincidentally, was the part of the story that started the worst, IMHO -- way too cliched and theatrical, totally bounced off the realistic tracks). Having his mini-breakdown at the church -- which I did not take to signify anything specifically religious, but in context, seemed to refer more to the feeling they all had of being part of something much larger and more ancient than themselves, and wondering about their place in all of it, maybe even wondering about a God whose existence doesn't depend on church structures or hierarchy, or on human expressions of religion -- was at least some kind of resolution for a writer who (I think the film implies this) had gotten in the habit of distancing himself from great locations by writing about them, by objectifying them. Finally the chatter stopped, and he was in the presence of something wordless. That worked a little bit and felt almost like the completion of a storyline.

Anyway...see the response to the other poster later in this thread for more on why I think a somewhat less extreme version of your original post actually is sort of on track.

(I'm posting a good bit of all this in a separate mini-review, btw.)

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Also: "Pointless" may be at least partly beside the point as a criticism, too. I'd be a little surprised if Estevez hadn't done some reading in Zen and/or the Christian mystics, and it's possible that the "simply being, simply walking" aspect of the story was deliberate. If so, then it was not "pointless," except to the extent that trying to make a point about pointlessness, or emptiness, or whatever word one uses to describe the simple "draw water, carry wood" thing, is not something film really wants to do. Film wants to tell a story, and this particular film even set up several storylines. If it can be accused of anything, it's not pointlessness per se, but rather 1) waffling on whether there should be a "point" (or stories with an end) or not, and 2) using the wrong medium to do it, if "pointlessness" or "emptiness" or "mere being" was the point.

Yeah, this sort of thing gets hard to talk about in language. Which is sort of my own point. Film is a physical thing that has a beginning and end, that exists in a specific time with specific images. It's specific and point-filled by its very nature, IMHO.

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Well said!

Seems to me that any film that can inspire this sort of discussion has a lot to offer. And the mere fact that Estevez chose to make such a non-commercial film in the first place makes me like it even more. If it has flaws, then they're flaws born of a desire to do something more than most films attempt these days. Certainly different viewers have had different responses to it, so it clearly engages people on several levels -- and some not at all, of course.

For me, this is one of those films that may not be a masterpiece, but still has a great deal of personal appeal, in that it both strikes an emotional chord with me & also makes me think. Not too many current films are the least bit interested in doing that, sad to say. I enjoy the occasional thrill ride as much as anyon, but I much prefer a more thoughtful little film like this. It stays with me.

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certainly not a movie deserving of any attention from people not directly tied to the subject matter


Great line, considering EE did exactly that by causing something in you to make your pilgrimage to this site to post your review, which could be considered pointless since it is more troll than insightful.

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Found it inspiring. Planning on doing "The Way" next fall.

I like to watch movies when using the treadmill. Do not know if I would do it otherwise.

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