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I actually live in San Francisco......


....and I can tell (in a number of ways) that the writers don't know my town well:

1) There is no way The SF Chronicle or Examiner (actual papers here) would pay a movie critic whatever salary the main character must be receiving. The journalism field is on very shaky ground out here.

2) Reporters I know are far more sly. The most important reporters out here are focused on SF politics, a very juicy field of study out here -- with Gavin Newsom and his run for governor and our hard-left political landscape. No one even mentions politics, and she's suppose to be a reporter?

3) NO GAY CHARACTERS???????? That's just not very realistic.

4) None of the characters are nearly as "trendy" as the folks I know. None of them, except for the guy with black hair, even shop at high-end thrift stores. Come on!

5) NO jokes about the homelessness issue?

6) Folks in SF have sex of course (we tend not to have hang-ups), but we aren't as childish about it as these characters tend to be. We don't really care if we "score" or not, but tend to be philosophical about the matter. SF folks act young but think old.

7) No one talks about what part of town they live in. The Haight, Pacific Heights, North Beach, The Mission, where????

8) A well-off Irish reporter???? (I think she's Irish.) Most of the Irish people I know have immigration issues and do working class jobs to make ends meet.

9) We tend not to date strangers, like the main character seems to do. We date friends of friends of friends.

10) The one black character they have is not plausible. The only black men left in the city tend to be very socially isolated, within the poorer parts of town, or are hyper-educated.

---I could go on and on, but I have to go to bed. But I admit liking the show because so few shows are set here.

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It couldn't possibly be that there are some people in SF different than you?

You sure do make a lot of generalizations about a very large, diverse city.

Just sayin'

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I know I've made some generalizations about San Francisco, but I've lived here for 10 years. Trust me: none of the writers of this show have spent a lot of time here. And it's too bad.

If you think about it, all of the great TV shows are set in New York. And you can tell that the writers know what they are talking about: The Honeymooners, I Love Lucy, Seinfeld, Friends, Mad Men, just to name a few.

It would be really cool for there to be a show of that caliber set in SF. But this ain't it.

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I love San Francisco and it's nice to see a show set there that doesn't present it as the stereotype you see your own city as.

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Gays in San Francisco isn't a stereotype; it's a fact. And for Accidentally on Purpose to just leave that out (along with the other aspects of The City I listed) leaves much to be desired.

I don't hate this show. (In fact I'm gonna watch it tonight.) But if it was more accurate, then I think the comedy would be better.

So until then, I guess I'll have to download "Too Close For Comfort" episodes.

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There you go.... stressing the gay stereotype of SF. I find your entire first post offensive (homophobic, racist, everything-ist) and I'd be surprised if you don't get your butt kicked by your SF friends every time you open your mouth.

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So by saying that there are gay people in San Francisco is a gay stereotype???
And by saying that there are not a lot of African Americans in San Francisco is racist???

To be honest with you, even if they had the most stereotypical gay character imaginable on this show (whatever that means), it would make this show a hell of a lot more realistic than not having any gays at all.

And not having any racial diversity (even in non-speaking roles) is just flat-out lazy on the part of the producers. I can make the same complaints about Friends, which certainly lacked the diversity of the New York I remember, but the topic right now is Accidentally On Purpose.

I'm sorry but I don't understand how basic demographics can be offensive. It's only 50 square miles out here, and I've lived here ten years.

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No. I'm saying that believing that every situation that occurs in SF needs to involve a gay person is stereotyping. And that saying that the AAs live only in poor neighborhoods is stereotyping. And pretty much your whole first post is stereotyping. You're not getting it so I'm done.

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"No. I'm saying that believing that every situation that occurs in SF needs to involve a gay person is stereotyping. And that saying that the AAs live only in poor neighborhoods is stereotyping. And pretty much your whole first post is stereotyping. You're not getting it so I'm done."

That's a straw man's argument.

Of course I don't believe any of those things, but a TV show set in San Francisco 2009 that has NO gay characters or NO gay storylines is wildly off-base. And as for black demographics in The City, anyone who studies the topic can tell you that there is a black out-migration, which means that most African Americans live in the low-income areas of Bayview Hunter's Point and Western Addition. This is something I studied in graduate school, so I know what I am talking about. (Some even call in an exodus, but you will probably be offended by that term.)

If Accidentally On Purpose was a funnier show than it is, I guess I could forgive it for being so off-the-mark. But since it is so bad, these defects become even more difficult to write off.

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hate to break it to you but there are gays in every city not just San Fran, so the lack of gay-related stories is just off base as there being none in other TV shows based in other cities.

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I was in San Francisco this summer and did not notice any overtly gay people there. I'm sure there were some, but there are some in every major city. But no pride flags, no signs, no nothing. I saw thousands of people as I was walking around there every day and nothing.

Suddenly Susan and Star Trek are also set there and I don't remember any gay characters in either of them.

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Are you *beep* kidding us? I live in Sacramento and visit San Fran on occasion. I saw tons of *beep* pride flags every where, especially if you go past China town towards Van Ness and Greary Blvd. There's even a gigantic pride flag planted in the middle of the street. Where the hell were you when you were in San Francisco, sitting your ass down at Fisherman's Wharf looking at Alcatraz island all day?

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The show had one episode that one of the characters worked in a gay bar. It had another episode where the plain sister wanted a gay friend so she could become a bit more fashion savy. Also I personaly know a few Afro-Americans that live in S.F. that are middle to upper middle class, not how you describe them. Also artistic liberty should be respected in fictional writting.

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Ashley Jensen is scottish, the difference between scottish and irish (or english) is like the difference between canadian and american, only geographically theres water separating the two.

and shes probably all right for money after working at Mode for a few years (ugly betty joke)...

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If I'm going to believe what you say about San Francisco and take these as facts, then I'm also going to go ahead and assume that you must be fairly representative of the population there.

If that's the case, I never plan on going because you're a major tool.

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I have to agree with the original poster though. San Francisco has a certain uniqueness about it and this show seems like it's set in LA. People in San Francisco even talk a little differently than the characters on the show.

You know how in Sex and The City, New York was so well showcased and the surrounding city almost became a character of its own? Thats what San Francisco is like. If it had truly been set in SF, it would have been instantly noticeable. One can easily make out that this show is shot on a set in Hollywood because it doesn't utilize any of the cultural elements that make up San Francisco.

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wow. seriously?!
i'm just gonna go point for point with you...

1) it's television. the fact that someone is living more lavishly than their means should afford them is not a new concept.

-i've seen shows where orphaned hairdressers live in 3 bedroom homes in West Hollywood.
-i've seen shows where waitresses live in gorgeous high rises in New York City.
-i've seen shows where all 5 of the main characters are supposed to be 17 years old and every single on of them is living on their own, supporting themselves fully w/ no job, (ok, one of them was a waitress), before they had even graduated high school. and most of the supporting roles played out the same way.

if you haven't noticed, hollywood doesn't care about how much a lead character should be making at their job so much as they care about having a hot cast and a nice set.

but regardless, i lived in a very nice $1600 a month apartment in San Jose, and i'm a full time college student and waitress and i was not just scraping by. so it really is possible for a professional working woman to be living with such a lifestyle even if newspapers don't pay that much, b/c i almost guarantee you she would be making more at that job than i was serving cheeseburgers in blue jeans and a polo shirt.

2) believe it or not, not everyone is into politics. even in San Fran, even as a reporter.
there are reporters that do fluff pieces, and reporters that cover sports, and reporters that cover fashion. there are reporters that cover city life, and reporters that do "best of" lists, and even reporters that specifically cover politics.
no one said she was an "important reporter," maybe she's their humorous, quirky columnist. how is it not believable that someone has a job in print that doesn't focus on politics?

3) but really, there def is gay characters. they didn't show up for the first few episodes, but do we have to cover every aspect of what you think this show should be by episode 3? the show has a specific cast it follows, and when they showcase outside characters, it's usually someone that one of the main characters is trying to date. being that none of the main characters is gay, it hasn't been relevant yet that they introduce gay characters.

4) they're not "trendy" enough for you?! who are you?
i have spent plenty of time in San Francisco (as i mentioned, i lived in the bay area), and although i did know some trendy people there, i also knew far more straight people that were much more like the characters portrayed here. in fact, it was generally the gay kids i knew who were the trendy ones, and as we have mentioned, none of the main characters are gay. i am also fairly certain that the oldest "trendy" person i hung out with in San Fran was about 22 years old. people sometimes grow out of being San Francisco's brand of trendy. and being that the only 22 year olds followed on the show are stoner straight guys, i'd be a little weirded out if they were trendy.

5) never in the time i spent in San Francisco do i recall ever hearing a joke about the homelessness issue. never.

6) how many people do you know? i have quite a number of friends that are older than i am that still giggle when people talk about sex. and a lot of my friends, love em to death, have the maturity of 12 year olds when it comes to sex. not everyone in San Fran is as mature as you give them credit for. don't get me wrong, i would love it if they really were, but they're not.

7) it doesn't really make much of a difference where you live, there is always divisions of the city or the town that the people living there will talk about. but to an outsider it doesn't make an ounce of difference. i was born and raised in Houston, but if i told you what part, you wouldn't care at all. being in Texas, it's often a topic of discussion, but to anyone else, if i made a show about Houston and they tried to throw that in their, about 5 people would care and the rest just wouldn't get it.

8) well she's Scottish for one. and i in fact do know Scottish people, and Irish people for that matter, that have not had the slightest trouble finding legitimate, white-collar jobs. and none of my friends from any other country, and i have a lot of friends from foreign countries, ever talk about having immigration issues. they may have immigration issues that i'm unaware of, but i have never heard one thing about it, not for lack of caring, but for lack of them wanting to talk about it i would guess.

9) of all the people i dated in San Francisco, none of them was ever a friend of a friend of a friend. outside of San Fran, yes, but everyone i dated who i met in San Fran, or was from San Fran or had anything to do with San Fran was an absolute stranger when we began dating.

10) i'm your average, middle class, white girl, and i had more black friends in the bay area than white friends. honestly. and they were definitely some of my most social friends, nowhere near isolated.


i really feel like you've been outside once in the past 10 years and based your assessment of San Francisco on a group of about 3 people.
people from all over the country adore San Francisco for so many different reasons, and move there all the time, which in and of itself tells me there has to be some level of diversity. San Francisco is not one homogenized city that has shut off it's links to the outside world or closed its borders. it is an interesting and diverse place for the multitude of different people that peacefully coexist and generally are accepted for living their lives as they wish and being accepted for not fitting any particular mold, which you seem to be trying to fit them so succinctly into.
and i think i've said enough for now. so i'll leave it there.

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It's a TV show, for crying out loud. Think of "Friends" and Monica with that huge Manhattan apartment. Suspend your disbelief for the duration of the show. *waves magic wand*

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I have to agree with the OP. Not only is he extremely open minded, but capturing the essence of the city a show takes place in is extremely important. I, for one, couldn't take Charmed seriously at all. Yes, they showed lots of shots of the city and called everyone "Inspector", but other than that the town wasn't show-cased at all! There weren't ANY gay characters! It SERIOUSLY brought down their believability factor for me...


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It's called "Accidentally on Purpose" not "The Streets of San Francisco--(a Quinn Martin production)
Not all shows place great emphasis on the cities they take place in. It's no big deal.
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OK. First of all, believe it or not, the last few episodes I've seen weren't that bad. So I may change my opinion of the show if and when I start watching it again.

Second, is it too much to ask for a show to at least resemble the city in which it is set? Why so many NY shows so good at seeming like they're in NY? I know it's hard to get a filming license out here (Mayor Newsom used to talk a lot about that a few years ago), but still Friends had a real respect for NY even though it was filmed in LA.

Gay folks have never really gotten a fair shake on network TV. (Jack from Will and Grace was a horrible stereotype.) There's never been a totally gay character on Star Trek even though San Francisco is home to Starfleet. So expecting Accidentally on Purpose to have the guts to try to pull it off may be asking a lot.

I know (or know of) a lot of the heavy hitting reporters in SF, and politics is simply where all the juice is. If the show dealt more with politics, it would be more believable, I suppose.

I think someone called me a tool. I've never thought of myself like that before; it's kind of interesting. But I do like hanging out in the Marina, which has a reputation for attracting "tools."

I just wish SF had its great TV show, like NY (too many to mention) and LA (Six Feet Under) does. Hell, even Alaska has Northern Exposure.

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Billie is a movie critic, not a reporter.

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go the sleep... and don't wake up. you're basing your opinion only on YOUR experiences in sf. this is a comedy, based on fiction. you've heard of "fiction", right? or do you believe that you're a legend in your own mind? yeah, go to sleep and stick to your dreams, cuz reality clearly isn't your forte.

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First off, I do believe that you are a raging idiot. I'd just like to start out of the gate with that and not try and sugar coat it.

I think my favorite part about your post is that you make yourself out to be the authority on San Francisco living... when you probably migrated from some podunk town in the mid-west... which very well could attribute for the small minded and entitled (because , dammit, you're so much better than everyone back home on the farm because you packed up and moved to CA) tone of your original (and subsequent) posting.

I grew up in San Francisco (lived there 20 years, visit all the time as my parents still live there) and was not in the very least offended by how un-San Franciscan the show is... and I'm gay... and I'm not offended when there isn't a gay storyline on a tv show either.

So basically I'm saying... quit your bitching.

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You have only been there for 10 years? You weren't even born there, let alone grow up there.

Nearly all of these statements are not specific to SF. Casual sex? Homeless sensitivity? "We tend not to date strangers"? One night stand does not equal date, you slut.

I'll give you the gay comment, until the episode which featured a gay bar.

Your immigration comment, however, is incorrect about her nationality and status. If thousands of Mexicans can gain citizenship, I think a sucessful SCOTTISH woman would be capable as well.

I don't think you are racist or homophobic, I think you have bad thoughts, lol

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Everyone wants to see their city portrayed the way they think they know it, it's understandable. The funny thing is Dharma and Greg also took place in San Francisco. However, AOP is filmed on a soundstage in Los Angeles, not SF so of course it's not going to be exactly like the city.

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