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So was Georges really in love with Cloltide?


Obviously, Georges used all the women in the film to his own benefit, however he seemed to sincerely possess feelings for Clotilde. Does anyone else agree?

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He did seem to feel more for her than for anyone else. In the book it emphasizes how his parents were peasants and he feared poverty more than anything. He didn't want to end up back in their village, broke. So if he had been rich and free to be with whoever he wanted, I think he would have chosen Clotilde--but she was already married, so that was another complication.
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Of all the women with whom he was involved, she made the fewest demands on him. Let's just say that she made it really easy for him. His "love" for her wasn't ever really tested, the way it was with the other women.

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I don't see it that way at all. She made herself available to him. He loved her just as he did the rest (in that way).

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He didn't look for her. She just popped up most of the time..

However, I think they had more of a romantic relationship than the others.

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Obviously, Georges used all the women in the film to his own benefit, however he seemed to sincerely possess feelings for Clotilde. Does anyone else agree?

I agree with that. I thought that he loved Clotilde but loved power more than anything or anyone. It's my impression that he and Clotilde continued a long termed relationship with one another.

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as long as she continued not to make very many demands on him.

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I supposed that could be true, randommovies2002, but for some reason I didn't get that. Can you be specific as to why you think that? I felt that they just had this unexplained 'connection' as people do... or maybe, you're right... "Why do you keep coming back to me?".

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Well, in the book, at the end, he thinks of her while leaving church with his new bride. But not in a sentimental /romantical way. He likes having sex with her. In fact, he doesn't love anybody. He is so self-centered and he enjoys having power. He's such a ruthless, selfish man with no morality. Maupassant wanted to have an anti-hero as main character.

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so you'v clearly read the book. i have a question about Madeleine Forestier's character. after finishing book it seemed that we got enough information about all characters, their motivations, their thoughts and feelings. everything except Madeleine Forestier. we got so little about her. she was kind of enigma throughout the whole book. i almost waited something to happen because of her, thought that author did it deliberately, that he was planning something for her only to reveal at the end of the book. that Madeleine had some long term plan into motion and we could witness it sooner or later.

it seemed that she orchestrated everything that happened in the book. if not her and her knowladge of articles to write, journal wouldnt have gotten famous, that played the role in decieving public about war in Africa, which made possible money making scenario. also she helped George from the begging, she introduced and told him about De Marelle, she told him about Suzanne and her mother. its like she planned everything but didnt get enough closure. just felt something was missing about her character from the book. we never get explanation about why she was doing what she was doing. i read translation so maybe something got lost in it. want to know what do you think about her. maybe there is some analyzes of this book that i can look into to understand this more clearly

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I think Clotilde was the only woman he had any tenderness for at the end of the film. He was really in love with Madeleine. I had the impression he married her for love and desire. He had respect for Madeleine, unlike the other women, as can be seen by the fact that he 1) stuck up for her when one of the men in his office called her a whore, 2) stayed by her side (the only friend who did) when her husband died, and 3) married her in spite of the fact that she didn't really have money. They broke up because he was so jealous of the fact that Madeleine admitted her love for the Comte after his death. I didn't read the book, but I also thought the end of the film foreshadowed a future in which he had no desire for his new wife and would probably spurn her, but did have desire for Clotilde, his only friend. Otherwise, why would he have bothered to get separate rooms for Suzanne at the lodgings? If he wanted her at all he would have slept with her then. I think the fact that he declined to sleep with Suzanne or even kiss her on the mouth showed he had absolutely no desire for her at all.

I feel the point of the film is that Bel Ami was an animal who came out of poverty and was finding he way through French society in an era where poor people ground it out, often starved and had horrible lives. He manipulated women, but the reason he did this was because he had to take advantage of the opportunity he had with Madeleine's husband. Madeleine called him an animal after the Comte died and he went out and proved it by getting drunk and beat up. After that night, Bel Ami walked in to the party and discovered his wife with a new lover, which meant his days were numbered in his life with her. He certainly hopped from bed to bed, but there was a reason for every liaison.

He slept with Clotilde in order to improve his situation in French society, as he was advised to do by Madeleine. He slept with Madame Rousset in order to really mess with her husband, whom he hated. He also slept with her to get information and power. He slept with Madeleine because he loved her and wanted her - seeing her as an elegant woman.

But in the end of the film he had accomplished that which he set out to do. He had become a member of an elite family, in terms of wealth and position in society, and he would never have to worry about money again. Suzanne's father was getting 70 million francs, which dwarfed the paltry 1 million francs he was going to get through Madeleine from the will of the Comte.

The last thing Bel Ami says to Clotilde is that she has no idea what it is like to eke out a living in poverty. The next scene he marries Suzanne and we know he has arrived. He will have plenty of money, a mother-in-law who can't antagonize him, a father-in-law who is afraid of him, a wife who is young and beautiful to have children with and a lover he has feelings of tenderness for, Clotilde. In spite of what he had to do to get there, he knows he is not an animal anymore and his whole life is rolling out in front of him.

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Great insight, GS-Web.

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That's what I thought too. I think he was in love with Madeleine -- but realized at the end that Clotilde was the only one who really loved him. It tore him up to know that she loved the Comte and naively wanted to believe that the Comte was a father figure to her.

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He was really in love with Madeleine. I had the impression he married her for love and desire. He had respect for Madeleine, unlike the other women, as can be seen by the fact that he 1) stuck up for her when one of the men in his office called her a whore, 2) stayed by her side (the only friend who did) when her husband died, and 3) married her in spite of the fact that she didn't really have money. They broke up because he was so jealous of the fact that Madeleine admitted her love for the Comte after his death. I didn't read the book, but I also thought the end of the film foreshadowed a future in which he had no desire for his new wife and would probably spurn her, but did have desire for Clotilde, his only friend.
I think you're right. I missed it because I was so focused on his climb to the top. In addition she gave him his literary career.

At the wedding to Suzanne I thought, "It's the last smile she'll ever get out of him." And, he will definitely take up with Clotilde again.




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In the novel, Georges/Bel Ami is clearly a sociopath and never loved any of the women. He did not have the capacity; he only loved having sex with Clotilde the most. The smile at the end of the film - and according to the book - when Georges is coming out of the church with his new bride Suzanne, he is thinking of hot sex with Clotilde.

He admired Madeleine, but she was strictly a business opportunity that became more convoluted than he anticipated. Her fierce independence, sexuality, intelligence and "voice" were just too much for him. Suzanne was an excellent opportunity out of the marriage - to the tune of 30 to 100 million francs when you consider paternal inheritance as well - and that is when he publicly humiliated Madeleine by having the cops seek her out when he knew she was with a lover.

Georges also used Virginie to seek sick revenge on her husband, Monsieur Rousset, and to seek inside info and intel from her. Everything was about acquiring power, wealth, and pleasure. He was as the novel described (and the English title bore) a depicable scoundrel. The movie made Georges more sympathetic than what he is supposed to be.



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True, but everybody used everybody. Women married because their man could bring them into the high society and a wealthy life. They looked for their pleasure to a younger toyboy. Duroy was used by Rousset and Madeleine too. In fact they learned him how to play the game.

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Historical context is everything.

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Clotilde was a friend. She was just one of the boys to him. It was Madeline he adored but could not have because she was above him in intellect.

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