I have seem this film and it is not a 5. That's too low. Vexerz, have you really seen th film? Sure, it ain't perfect and is not as good as Jacob's Ladder, but it's still pretty good. Care to elaborate on your thoughts about it?
Just having fun with a raging fanboy.
My thoughts:
Good: Idris Elba playing an ex special forces suffering from psychosis and his internal conflicts.
Good: Letting the audience decide what is real and what isn't. It does make me question the character himself, as in which memory was even real.
Bad: Idris Elba playing an ex special forces suffering from psychosis and his internal conflicts with a bad script.
Bad: The script. Just poor delivery and execution. It could of been written alot better. For example when Idris Elba talks in front of his camcorder -missed opportunity here. They dropped the ball on providing him the dialogue that matched his raw emotion and inner turmoil. He just sort of delivers his lines and mumbles through them. There is just nothing engaging with the dialogue throughout most of the film except for the scenes with his love interest and when his ex team members came over for some beers.
Paraphrasing, "We're not heroes, we weren't heroes remember our first mission" Then he proceeds to recollect on a mission and questions his own moralities.
I think part of the problem is we've seen this type of inner turmoil before so many times with other movies.
For me, what makes a movie great is in this order: Director, Writer, actor. Its severely lacking in the writing department. They missed an opportunity and the writer dropped the ball on this one.
You're the disease and I'm the Cure.
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morpheusownsall
13 years ago
Well, I think the whole monologue thing was pretty good in my opinion. I mean, the script was not great and maybe a bit preachy in bits, but I think the whole tone was that it was the deconstruction of the central character with the reliance on exposition.
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curleytom
13 years ago
"Bad: Idris Elba playing an ex special forces suffering from psychosis and his internal conflicts with a bad script. "
How is that a bad thing? that was the driving force of the movie, that was what gave it soo much depth, you get to see Idris elba of all people have a psychological break down. it was done so well, and different i haven't seen a person lose that much of a grip on reality in a very long time.
i work in an institution in which i care for people who are suffering with similar psychosis as portrayed in the film, and the way it was written and how malcolm grey justified everything he did to rationalise it is spot on.
WAKE UP
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tjialpha
13 years ago
Everyone's got an opinion, but it is interesting that as someone who works with people who have mental disorder, that this depiction seemed to work for you. That's a good sign.
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Vexerz
13 years ago
How is that a bad thing? that was the driving force of the movie, that was what gave it soo much depth, you get to see Idris elba of all people have a psychological break down. it was done so well, and different i haven't seen a person lose that much of a grip on reality in a very long time.
i work in an institution in which i care for people who are suffering with similar psychosis as portrayed in the film, and the way it was written and how malcolm grey justified everything he did to rationalise it is spot on.
WAKE UP
I have a bit of psychiatric experience as a nurse myself, but realism does not = good movie. Maybe you should follow your own advice. Its a movie not a documentary...lol hello? In fact, the movie took itself too seriously in that aspect by going really deep into the realism of psychosis (visual delusions spot on) at the expense of good writing and pacing.
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yanosaldron
13 years ago
Been reading through the thread and I have to say you come across as really patronising and condescending. To be honest, you're always going to illicit antagonism if you make your points the way you have. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but that doesn't mean you gotta insult or condescend to those that don't share your thoughts on something.
Fact is that some people love this film, some people don't. You didn't like it and you said why. That's all good. The writing and pacing was fine for A LOT of people obviously.
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Vexerz
13 years ago
Been reading through the thread and I have to say you come across as really patronising and condescending. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but that doesn't mean you gotta insult or condescend to those that don't share your thoughts on something.
Meh, normally I'm not but that's the tone you gotta go with when dealing with blind fanboys in general.
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ThrowingChicken
13 years ago
Realistic = Bad
Unreal.
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Vexerz
13 years ago
lol if you are referring to me then way to twist my words.
My statement was a reply to another guy using the realism as a defense to why this was a good movie.
Realistic is always good, but does not automatically mean good movie. In this case, they tried to focus too much on his psychotic delusions and (which were really well done) overdid it and just ended up bombarding us with it and narrowly touched on fundamentals that could have made this movie alot better.
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morpheusownsall
13 years ago
So V, you're saying it felt more like a documentary than an actual film? If you're saying so, then you are narrowing the scope of what film is.
There are films that aim to realistically portray a subject matter for those that may not know about it. Some would learn about it better through a fictional narrative as opposed to a longwinded documentary with too many interviews.
So for Legacy, allowing us to learn about those who suffer from post-traumatic delusions in this manner is helpful and for me personally, is more rewarding than having to sit through a three hour documentary. Unless the documentary is AMAZINGLY well made.
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Vexerz
13 years ago
In could be more like a documentary or an actual film, my point was that this script dragged. We feel what Malcolm Gray felt throughout the film. I agree with you, the imagery was outstanding with its 'point of view' feel to it making us guess what was reality and what wasn't. The content of dialogue and writing was not up to par with the imagery.
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curleytom
13 years ago
in your opinion the dialogue wasn't up to par.
and to call everyone who likes the film a blind fanboy is a tiny bit sad. yes there were some faults with the film however it was still head and shoulders above a lot of the other films that came out last year.
it was a solid well thought out film.
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Vexerz
13 years ago
in your opinion the dialogue wasn't up to par.
and to call everyone who likes the film a blind fanboy is a tiny bit sad. yes there were some faults with the film however it was still head and shoulders above a lot of the other films that came out last year.
it was a solid well thought out film.
Such a bold claim, was done with this thread but your reply should be interesting.
String together a decent point by point counter argument. 'Its head and shoulders above other films' (unless you mean films like New Moon I agree) Not really saying much however. Humor me.
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tjialpha
13 years ago
Why are you guys still attempting respectful conversation with this person? Can't you sense the glee in condescension on display? Let those, only here to label anyone who really liked this film a fan boy, be to themselvesq and just reply to people willing to have sensible non judgemental debate.
No doubt I will get another bone headed response to this, but really folks, ignore it.
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