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What was Carl's problem?


Another fine performance from the extraordinarily versatile Martin Savage, Carl is portrayed as a coiled spring of a man, bristling with hostility and anger towards his extended family in general and the shattered Ronny in particular. Mike Leigh will have his reasons for letting Carl's grievances remain obscure, the inference plain enough that not everyone's pain will have vapour trails as evident as Mary or Ken, and is recognisable to any of us totally perplexed by the complicated behaviour by those closest to us. (Also Carl's aggression is in stark contrast to Gerri & Tom's sensitive and gently wisecracking approach to interacting with the people that move in and around their everyday lives).

However Carl's appearance, albeit briefly, was of such intensity and so unnerving that I couldn't help but wonder about the history of the relationship between father and son that lead to such an irretrievable breakdown.

A powerfully poignant scene has Mary asking Ronny if his son is married to which he admits in tones of sadness and bemusement of not knowing. David Bradley's performance is faultless: barely having half a dozen lines of dialogue his soulful eyes, eloquent silences and a jaw clenched in a determined retention of some shred of dignity tell us more about Ronny's character than any beautifully constructed sub-plot could ever hope to convey.

The stories of these characters, and of how the unhappiest might fare after the end of the film will haunt me for many weeks to come, but it's Carl scarred poltergeist of a man that provokes my imagination the most.


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WTF is a scarred poltergeist of a man? You have overwritten this entire post - you're not writing War and Peace!

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Well Shefhammer, each to his own. I found it a refreshing contrast to the dimwitted illiterate shallow posts we often see on these threads. I liked his 'vapour trail' description as well, but that might have been way over your head.

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Not over my head at all, I just don't believe that "scarred poltergeist" is in any way a useful description of the character. It is totally meaningless.

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It's a description which is nowhere near as accurate as it needs to be to get away with its own flamboyance.

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Mmm right. Thanks for that. If you think that was overwritten you should look up some of my other posts.

However I'd still welcome comments on the original point of my post as opposed to the way I presented it.




"I am staring at the abyss. I don't like the look of the abyss".

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Carl's problem is basically that he is a 30-something working class man from an English provincial town in the 21st century.

The UK is full of 'Carls'. Whenever there's road rage, or a confrontation outside a pub, or some argument in public over something, there will be a Carl involved. Believe me, I've crossed swords with a fair few 'Carls' in my time.

He is, I am sorry to say, the end product of the hopeless British educational system, the destruction of the casual, manual labour job market and the overall collapse in moral, social and religious values. In short, he's a product of the Jeremy Kyle generation.

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Carl looked kind of gay to me, judging by the way he dressed. Maybe it's a repression & denial thing.

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My first impression was that Carl was gay by the way he was dressed. He perhaps had a relationship with his mum, her giving him money, maybe not judging him. Mothers love their children unconditionally, usually. But, he and his father did not see eye to eye. Remember when asked, his father had no idea if his only son had a girl or was married. His father had greater issues than just not being able to communicate with his son.

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You make some interesting observations Hugh1971, and I even share some elements of your general comments. I too run into a fair amount of 'Carls' myself and by-and-large have developed a strategy to avoid having to face a lot of their worst excesses. However I'm not sure this what Mike Leigh, or actor Martin Savage want us to take away as an explanation for Carl, although I can't be 100% certain of this. You may have a point if we consider that Carl can only express himself through gestures of hostility, insensitivity and contempt and such people, and the environment that makes them, do not always fare well in a Mike Leigh film. In an interview I saw recently, Leigh makes only a brief comment on him as something of a hit-and-run character, even though we're being prepared for Carl early on when referred to in earlier scenes.

Savage on the other hand has been, third hand admittedly, reported as saying he imagined that Carl might have been a lot closer to Tom & Gerri at one time, attracted by their easy going personalities and more sophisticated London lifestyle. His resentment therefore may have come from being cut adrift for some reason and left to continue life with his blunt father in a Derby back street.

I have to confess none of what Savage allegedly says occurred to me whilst watching these scenes. I locked more on how Carl seems to imply Ronnie had not treated his dead mother well, even if it was a just a convenient stick to beat his father with.

However this is just the sort of surly character one sees slouching about on a Jeremy Kyle set.

"I'm staring at the abyss.I don't like the look of the abyss"

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Very interesting posts, I agree with most of them, to do with money etc, except that he was gay, but that's a possibility.

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Must have been something to do with Ronny - he hinted at the way Ronny had treated Linda, whom Carl seems to have loved - he was very upset at missing (pretty much all of) the service. Mind you, why he couldn't have started out earlier... but then, we've all been there!

So if he loved her, it is probably because of Ronny that he never visited. He was probably trying to avoid spending too much time with him on the day of the funeral, which is why he left it so late to arrive. Gerri mentions that he was full of fun as a kid. Ronny may have had an alcohol problem, often breaks up families. Carl seems to have developed a violent streak - I certainly always felt it was right below the surface. He might have picked that up at home.

I like your original post, btw. And I get the "scarred poltergeist" reference.

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Bald men are uptight. End of story. ;)

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I rather liked 'scarred poltergeist of a man.' I'm not sure why it annoyed others...seems to convey rather succinctly he's one step away from catatonic in his grief.

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shefhammer:
No need to be snotty.
I like garp-26's post.

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I must say I love garp's original post in this thread. I rarely see that sort of analysis and intelligence in dissecting a character on IMBD. So, bravo to that.

Now as to what was eating away at Carl to make him that way, I tend to believe the "broken home" theory some here have already implied. Ronnie does not seem like he was a strong man, husband, or father, and Carl seems to resent him immensely for this short-coming. Worse almost than having an absentee dad, Carl has this man who is an extra mouth to feed and more of a drain for his beloved mother to take care of. He has probably resented him since childhood, as other boys may have had their dads to play sports with or other bonding activities, and Carl perhaps never could do the same.

Now all of his personality traits can't be faulted for his dad's (in)actions. While it seems as though he loved his mother, we never saw how they interacted. We only see that he shows up woefully late to the one event you should never be late for regarding a loved one. Perhaps he is mostly a byproduct of a post-industrial England, as he is insecure in talking about his work and very defense about himself in general. More than being just an interesting character though, it was really a strong and sharp performance that makes it all memorable.

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Garp's original post and yours here gvyti very good insight to Carl's character. If you pick bits of dialogue here and there you can put a picture to Ronnie's character. The fact that he had all the time in world to attend football matches (unemployed), always at the pub, never shouted the drinks, Linda who must have been close to 70 was still working full time at the bakery supporting him and Carl. Ronnie saying to Tom, "I don't know what to do?" was meaning, who will look after me now and not about Carl which Tom misinterpreted. Mary would be in for a big shock if she thought she could wiggle in from this side of the family.
Gerri's look and not answering Mary when she said that Ronnie was "nice" was because she knew what Ronnie was like and how he treated his late wife.

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I got the feeling that Carl was getting money from his mother, and Ronny was against this, thus causing conflict between Ronnie and his wife. Hence Carl's hostility to his father. Carl probably came to see his mother when the father was not around. That Carl needed money is evident when he walks in and sees sandwiches and drinks and aggressively asks: Where did all this come from (as in: you have money to buy sandwiches and you were giving a hard time to my mother?)

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I got the impression that Carl hated his dad because he treated his mum like a piece of *beep* and the only concern his dad had now was that he would have to look after himself as he no longer had a slave to do it for him.

However the only basis I have for this is gut instinct based on the characters and some comments made earlier in the film that Ronny has been unemployed forever, and doesn't do anything but drink. He's lazy, and the assumption seems to be that his wife was a lovely kind woman who probably died of exhaustion from supporting everyone and running after his arse for 40-odd years.

I think Carl compares that to Tom and Gerri- although I found these characters annoying, smug and sometimes cruel, Tom and Gerri had genuine love for each other (and their son), were supportive and seem to share responsibilities equally between them. I think Carl hates his father because he was a weak, useless pathetic excuse of a man, and Carl probably hates himself because he has turned out somewhat similar.

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I agree.
I like what you said about Carl comparing Ronnie to Tom and Gerry. He seemed to be somewhat jealous of Joe as well which makes sense.

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Another clue to Carl's aggression towards Ronnie for not treating his mother well, is when Mary asks Ronnie if Linda was "nice". He doesn't answer, but instead stares blankly and sips his tea. This could indicate that he had little feeling towards Linda one way of the other (hence Carl's anger), or possibly that he was too grief stricken to talk about her, especially with someone who he'd only just met (Mary).

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I got the impression ronnie was completely emotionally inaccessible which must have taken its toll on the mother and carl over the years .

Carls anger was in huge contrast to joe's close relationship with his parents - another way of leigh comparing how unfortunate lifes can turn out when the family unit is not a supportive and comforting place or when one is cut adrift.

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Mary also says to Gerri "He's really nice, Ronnie, isn't he?" - to which Gerri does not reply. Her silence says more than words could have.


I think some of the reason Gerri won't give an answer to that comment is that she's thinking about what recently happened between her and Mary. I thought she was thinking: "You've just made a horrid pass at my son, and insulted his girlfriend, so stay away from my brother-in-law!"

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Well, that, and... Ronnie is so utterly not nice -- distant, cold, unavailable, unengaged, and almost inhuman -- that it beggars belief Mary could even think such a thing, let alone say it. It speaks to Gerri's perception of just how utterly emotionally screwed up Mary is.

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HOLY HELL, I didn't even realize that was Martin Savage until I happened upon this post! (And I actually remember seeing his name in the cast list before watching, but I'd completely forgotten about him by the time his character showed up since I was so enthralled with the film. I didn't recognize him.)

I'm with @WeslsaLeo2 in that I've never seen a performance like this from him and I wouldn't have imagined that he had that in him. Great work by him (and by Mike Leigh to know that he had that in him, also).

Finally, I liked @garp-26's "scarred poltergeist" description. Quite weird to see people criticize posters for being creatively descriptive! Get some "chill" in your life, CriticismGuy.

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I agree that Ronnie was an emotionally distant iceberg of a father and husband and that, as it usually does, fuelled Carl's anger. I can see another point also being valid about Carl feeling resentful about being the 'poor relation' in comparison to the close-knit and seemingly comfortably-off Tom, Gerri and their son.

But I think the biggest thing is that Ronnie was violent to either Carl or Ronnie's wife, or both. I'm amazed nobody's mentioned the moment when Carl says, after being reproached by Tom about Ronnie, that 'he's fragile, your brother'.

I also agree that Martin Savage and David Bradley were exceptional in this film.

My own brother is like Carl in some ways and on a recent rewatch, I was stunned at the level of detail and perception in this Mike Leigh film.

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He's just English.

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His problem is he's his father's son.

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