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Tom + Gerri turn patronizing and condescending as the film progresses.


First off I personally loved the film: thought it was subtle and poignant and all the rest.

I think I am most enthralled with it due to the transformation of the characters (or, more accurately, my perception of them.) Yes, Mary can seem socially and emotionally exhausting, especially in the beginning. In the first bit of the film I saw Tom and Gerri as incredibly compassionate and even long-suffering friends--almost larger than life in that regard. "How on earth can they put up with these friends who seem only to take and not give?"

This really changed by the end for me. The last 15 minutes of the film turned that feeling on its head and I watched the almost shocking depiction that Tom and Gerri are at best normal people, and at worst possibly condescending and patronizing. Gerri even says to Mary, who is a complete emotional trainwreck "You've got to take responsibility for your actions" or something like that. Tom is aloof, even bemused by those around him--but he's certainly no saint, either.

The amazing part for me was how, by the end, the only 2 characters I connected with were the two most pitiful self-loathing people in the show: Ken and Mary, the antiheroes. Almost universally loathed or simply "put up with" by most people. This was probably intentional on the director's part, but it was still really well done. I suppose Mary and Ken were likable for the same reason Tom and Gerri put up with them: they make us feel better about ourselves, or perhaps they are simply honest if somewhat caricatured parts of ourselves we are unwilling to appreciate.




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Great comment. I agree with your view of the characters entirely. For me, the wonderful aspect of the film was that it portrayed a complex picture. The two most together and giving characters were from one point of view detached monsters, whilst the most desperately broken and humbled ones were the most able to offer true humanity. Leigh's genius is his ability to portray reality and like reality his films invite infinite interpretations, but for what it is worth I saw the film in quite a similar way to yourself.

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Oh I so agree. People like Gerri and Tom are insufferable.
"Be like us, aren't we divine?"

No, their lives were not divine, but at least for the time being stable. however, both were on the road to alcoholism! They couldn't let a day pass without the booze.

And tom always made sarcastic remarks about Gerri's inability to help anyone!
Anybody think a few scenes exploring their real relationship were on the editing floor?

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I think it was a very realistic portrayal of people (Tom and Gerri) putting up with someone who they'd rather not put up with. Had Mary not worked with Gerri they probably would've cut her out altogether. I recognized people I know in Mary's character. I even recognized myself. I used to turn up at people's places without invitation (and would never do that again!). Dealing with someone like Mary on a daily basis has to be very exhausting. I am in fact surprised Tom and Gerri didn't say to her "Please don't come around anymore". Mary wasn't just a little unhappy. I don't think you can save someone by putting up with them. Like Gerri said Mary needed professional help. And even that would've been iffy.

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Mary was work, but that family was extremely condescending (including the silly girlfriend). Why she was interested in the doughboy son was beyond me. By the end of the film, I loathed that family.

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my sentiments exactly and I do think it was intentional. by the end of the film I could see the parallel between the woman who desperately wanted the sleeping aid but the doctor would encourage her to find the root of the problem and tom and gerri, who really were offering her friends nothing but a sleeping aid and taking one themselves.

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I agree. Tom and Gerri really were insufferable, always seeking the moral high ground, posing as people who a friend in need could rely on. In reality they didnt care much for people outside their immediate family. At the end, you see Mary realizing shes really an outsider and shouldnt expect support from these two.

Take Carl for example, he's upset: his mother just died he missed her service and then these two push him to his limit so they can look good and make him look like a monster.

Of course the film is very nuanced, nothing is black and white. Essentially, Tom and Gerri and Carl, all of them arent monsters but real people. It takes away the pleasure of saying he or her is a monster, but it makes for more mature cinema.

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I take a balanced look at Tom & Gerri (can't help smiling every time I type their names). These aren't bad people, but they're not perfect - "careful my halo's slipping" Gerri jokes at one point. Granted they take some amusement in Mary's chaotic misfortune's but Gerri does try to come through for her at the end, albeit somewhat condescendingly - she correctly identifies her as needing independent professional help (in lieu of genuine friendships and a solid relationship). Tom is less tender and displays more irritation at Mary, keeping his genuinely held feeling for Ken, especially as his friend drunkenly breaks down when talking about how empty his life has become back in Hull. Gerri tries to help Jack's wife whatever it is she's suffering from, but without much success by the sound of it. It's a little disturbing though when Jack says rather glumly that he and his "keep cheerful" and then looks anything but, Gerri ignores him. (Whatever else Gerri may or may not be she doesn't seem to be totally successful as a counsellor, she makes little headway with insomniac Janet and admits to Tom that a patient she is meant to be treating for alcoholism arrived drunk for a session).
Tom clearly has little time for Carl but not many people would when he starts off from a level of hostile bitterness and then just turns it up to 11. After all it's no one else!s fault that he arrives late to his mother's funeral. Gerri tries to pacify Carl and show him some family feeling but the damage is already done, from some time much earlier perhaps? Gerri probably dislikes Tom's brother Ronnie, but keeps her feelings in check and tries to be supportive. She probably thinks, like Carl, that Ronnie was a poor husband to his late wife.
The major criticism that can be levelled at the couple is their liberal plying of alcohol on people who clearly have big issues with the demon drink. There's barely a scene where alcohol doesn't play a part. And any meal Tom and Gerri prepare require booze not only at the dinner table but to be consumed during cooking and even earlier.
The crux of the matter is that everyone else appears to put the family up on a pedestal. It wouldn't occur to Mary, Ken, Joe, Ronnie or Jack to criticise the couple for their attitudes towards them. In fact it's only Carl who comes close to bursting their rather complacent bubble but because of his obscure (to us) rage we can't take him seriously.
The one character who I wouldn't trust one iota is Joe's new girlfriend Katie. Despite her bonhomie, she's a taker - wolfing down bread and cheese, cake and taking home Gerri's fresh tomatoes, but above all she quickly gets the measure of Mary and proceeds to push all of her buttons. As she chews over the "lovely cake" she looks around with a secretive smile of satisfaction at the damage she caused.

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Tom and Gerri have their sh*t together, and are constantly being imposed upon emotionally by those who don't. Really, we're going to dump on Gerri for getting a bit short with Mary after 20 years of the same thing, probably? After having just dealt with a death in the family?
A telling scene is when Tom asks Ken to go on the pub tour with him, and Ken just slouches there. I've known so many like that---they complain about their troubles, but when you suggest any practical thing to solve it, they give you a blank stare then carry on complaining. It's what they do, what they like to do, and what they're going to keep on doing.
Tom especially is a little detached, but you have to be to survive. You can help people out in their troubles (and he does, when he can), but you can't get sucked into somebody's emotions, especially those that go nowhere and run on hamster wheels.
Gerri and Tom are terrific souls, with a really great marriage and a true laid-back benevolence. Honestly, if anyone loathes them, I suspect they're a lot like Carl the nephew.

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You have totally understood the persona of Tom & Gerri. Why do people think that it was up to them to "save" these "friends"? Mary wasn't a very close friend. Granted she knew Gerri for 20 odd years but that was through work. If you listened to their chit chat, they socialised every three months or so. T & G had a good marriage, had worries like everybody else. Tell me, would you put your "friend's" nutty behaviour before your child? Especially when that friend thought she stood a chance with the son? Good grief! She all but told Gerri, " you don't need to come for drinks with your son and me, I'm hoping to get laid! " How desperate was she? How rude was Mary to Katie? That type of behaviour was totally uncalled for. Mary was a guest, T&G were delighted to meet their son's new love interest as would any parent. Again, what parent would put up with such behaviour from a "friend" towards their child? Yet they still "invited her in" when I think half the population would have booted her out.

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I could not agree more.



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