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Perhaps a bit too militaristic and sexist?


There’s so much going for this film, but the whole military and sexist sub-text made me a bit sick…

I saw this film today with my 4 and 6 year old children, and although I had checked beforehand that it was age appropriate and that there was nothing inappropriate for my children, I was a bit disappointed. The whole military theme – the elves with military uniforms, the military-like operation to deliver the gifts, the authoritarian military leadership style – was completely unnecessary (mea culpa, I should have paid more attention to the trailer…). I don’t want to suggest that there’s any intentional positive message about the military, but there’s certainly an excessive link between Christmas and the military which simply distracted from the otherwise nice storyline. I understand that the script-writers may have wished to convey the idea that the eldest son ran the Christmas operations with a military style, but that could have been done by simply using certain tones of voice or behaviour that reflected an authoritarian and unemotional approach to the gift delivery and children’s feelings. Bottom line, I think that this type of film normalises the military (even if unintentionally), when the military should be an exceptional sight in our world – this can’t be good for children (or adults!).

And the sexist side-story is not very positive either… I’m not referring to the “when people believed women couldn’t be taught how to write” joke, as that actually was meant in a positive way. But the “whatever women do at home whilst their husbands go to work” remark, along the whole passive role Mrs Christmas takes throughout the film, is rather sad, even for a film about a classical/tendentiously conservative theme like Christmas. The poor lady cooked, put up with all the cranky males of the family, was eternally patient and understanding, and wrapped up all the presents, including her own… how servile is that? Even if she manages to fly the spaceship, what time of role model is that for the girls watching the film? Yes, apparently the elf that wraps up the presents is a girl (although that’s something hard to figure out in the film, considering the speed of the dialogues) and she has a more assertive role in the film, and maybe other aspects of the film may be more liberal (if the two elves kissing are really male), but sexist undertones to the film ruined it considerably for me.

And of course some may think I’m just exaggerating, and need to take things a bit more lightly… but perhaps that’s the problem: children’s films nowadays seem so keen on pleasing parents / grown-ups too, that they become inappropriate for children. References in this film to giving whiskey to children and a child becoming an alcoholic at the age of 9, or the speed at which things happen in this story without giving any time for a child to catch up with any changes in the plot, illustrate the point…

A couple of weeks ago I went to watch Mary Poppins with my children. They loved it, never got tired, and still sing the songs. Today they both got so bored and even sometimes scared, that they wanted to leave half-way through. And this is surely amongst the most naïve children’s films having been released in the last few years… so I guess I’ll have to stick to 60s, truly age-appropriate films for children for a few more years, until my children become old enough to listen to some types of jokes, see some sort of things and figure out some sub-texts…

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It's a Christmas movie...why are you dissecting it? No wonder your kids are scared, your novel I just read scared me.

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The OP was hardly a "novel," it was what 6 to 8 paragraphs long?

Are kids and teens so illiterate these days that the prospect of reading 6 whole paragraphs in a post is too daunting? Or just too boring?

Scary.

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the patter probably. whne you have a choice of almost entire library of human knowledge at your fingertips, choosing to read 8 paragraphs of some lunatic rambling (and thats what the OP was in my opinion) is really not a choice most will choose to make. Sadly, there is only 24 hours in a day. I have so much books i wish to read that if i read one book per day it would still take me over 100 years, and you expect me to read the tirade of every lunatic on IMDB boards?

Then again, im 26 so perhaps im not the one that should be responding to that remark.

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Don't forget the elf with a pierced eyebrow. Won't somebody think of the children???

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Wow! What color is the sun in your world?

The Sexist Jokes were meant make fun of how backwards we used to be with regard to society's views of women. IT WAS A JOKE! The Character who made that joke was more than 100 years old. It's satire! It is saying look how screwed up our view of the world used to be. Additionally, Mrs. Clause was CLEARLY the brains of the family. She was doing everything, making treaties with Iceland, handling attacking polar bears, taking care of her cantankerous father-in-law and making sure her children dressed in enough layers. She had been married to her husband for many years and loved him despite him being a buffoon. If your children walk away from that film thinking less of women, that is on you not the film.
Did you tell your children that a woman wrote and directed this film?
The point of the 'Militaristic' themes in the movie was to underscore the size and complexity of delivering gifts to all the children in the world in one night. I think it assumes that you and your children are too smart to think that Santa, a sleigh and a few reindeer couldn't get it done by themselves.

The two elves kissing were not male. This was reference to the iconic Life Magazine cover of a sailor coming home from war kissing a woman. I can understand your confusion as they didn't make big strides to differentiate the sexes on the elves. Really, it doesn't even matter if it was a same sex kiss. It wasn't even on screen for a full second.

Looking back to a simpler time, is the bastion of the sad and recalcitrant.

I never saw Mary Poppins, though I did see Saving Mr. Banks. Sixties were great for you if you were white and protestant in America. My parents don't identify with this group as there are literally no Christmas movies from the sixties that acknowledge our existence.

Rudolf, Santa Clause is coming to town, Charlie Brown Christmas and The Grinch are fantastic Christmas movies and my children and I enjoy these each and every year, despite we are not represented in them.

Arthur Christmas is my favorite Christmas Movie of all time!

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Just finished watching this for the first time and I plan to do so every year from now on making sure that my children, godchildren, cousins and other children I know watch it too.

The message is beautiful, spot on and perfectly executed. Arthur's perspective and attitude are rare attributes in 21st century children, so anything that helps them to consider even the 000000.1 (or whatever that percentage would have worked out to be), without drowning them in good vs evil, is ok in my book. Nothing wrong with good vs evil but there are other ways to tell an emotive story and Arthur Christmas proves that.

My thoughts: there's no harm in this movie - take the best and leave the rest.

Merry Christmas :)

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The problem with good vs evil movies is that evil is not interpreted universally. so you will either have to make your evil be so blatantly obviuosly destructive that it looses the message it wants to send or you will have people interpreting the supposed "evil" as the good guys.

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Absolutely

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You are completed entitled to hold whatever viewpoint you wish. Since you are not making a factual claim, but rather a personal opinion, one can hardly claim you are wrong.

However, I wish to point out that such a hardliner extremist viewpoint as yours will hardly be accepted or tolerated in many/most situations and that the world will certainly not accommodate itself to you. You may continue to hold said viewpoint, but I think you will continue to be disappointed at the world then.

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A university education can be a dangerous thing in the wrong hands.

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And in the end they even said may 100% of your Christmas be white. I mean, how racist is that? At the beginning I was thinking it was just a snow joke but the more I thought about it, it just became clearer and clearer.

The writers and production are just using this movie to send the messages they don't want to die. I mean, they probably think nowadays the "negro problem" has just got too out of hand, don't they? How rude. Even if it WAS a snow reference (which I doubt it), it does not snow everywhere, for instance in Africa. It doesn't snow all the time there. Maybe the producers knew that and wanted to poke fun at the continent. I bet they just want all the black people to GO to Africa and stay there away from the whites. Ridiculous.

Some friends told me I'm reading too much into it, but I AM NOT.

This movie is without doubt just a KKK propaganda piece with ties to the Nazi party of today, which remains in the shadows of the world, working to spread their message of hate through movies and TV shows without us even noticing. Did you notice the incompetent guys at the movie (ie not the working white elves) had big noses? You know who else has big noses? That's right!

You can't make this shyte up, mate!

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