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Adamantium is indestructible, right?


If so, how could Wolverine's claws be cut?

Show me the holes!

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Adamantium is referred to as indestructible but all that really means is that a method for destroying it is unknown.

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I figured the sword was adamantium and heating it up gave it the extra boost needed to chop off his claws.

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First of all Admantium can't cut through Admantium. And if you think about it logically, the heated sword would actually be weaker than Wolverine 's claws because when any metal is heated it becomes softer and more malleable.

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I get that, but if you remember, adamantium is supposed to be liquid in it's natural state. How many metal liquids are virtually indestructible when cooled?

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I get that, but if you remember, adamantium is supposed to be liquid in it's natural state. How many metal liquids are virtually indestructible when cooled?


When Adamantium solidifies it is virtually indestructible. My point was that the heated Adamantium sword would not, should not have been able to cut through Wolverine's claws. I know we're discussing pseudoscience, but even in fiction there needs to be rules set and followed in order to make the thing believable and enjoyable.

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I know we're discussing pseudoscience, but even in fiction there needs to be rules set and followed in order to make the thing believable and enjoyable.


Agreed. Easily the weakest part of The Wolverine. The overall film is great in my opinion, so I am more forgiving of this criticism. Xmen Origins: Wolverine is not that good, so I am not nearly as forgiving of it's adamantium bullet that can penetrate adamantium! 

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but if you remember, adamantium is supposed to be liquid in it's natural state.


No, not natural state. It is an ore and it is supposedly a very difficult process to get it into a molten state. Stryker says it must be kept that way because after it solidifies, it is indestructible (X2: Xmen United).

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Didn't he also say that if you manage to find it in it's natural, liquid state you had to keep it that way?

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Didn't he also say that if you manage to find it in it's natural, liquid state you had to keep it that way?


No. It is a mineral (or if you go by Xmen origins: Wolverine, a meteorite). Here is Stryker's exact quote...

"The tricky thing about adamantium is that if you ever manage to process it's raw, liquid form, you gotta keep it that way. Keep it hot. Because once the metal cools, it's indestructible."

He doesn't say that liquid is its natural form. He uses the word "process", just like when ore is processed into molten steel, then shaped into whatever is being made from it. The final result after processing is different from it's original form that was unearthed. It's probably similar to smelting, described as "making use of heat and a chemical reducing agent to decompose the ore, driving off other elements as gases or slag and leaving just the metal base behind" (wikipedia) Stryker, by saying that "if you ever manage to" get it processed, suggests that adamantium would most likely be more difficult to purify than most normal ores.

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Ok. I'll give you that one. 

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In the comics it is an alloy so (if the movies had stuck to that) the process of creating it gives you the hot liquid "raw" (on the atomic level, I guess?) form but once it cools it's virtually indestructible.

I don't think the baddies in this simply heated up the adamantium sword.

Also, this: http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706

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Well you can't technically destroy anything really...

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Exactly. This whole movie is just one plot hole after another. The biggest being that there is no way they could cut off his claws because the metal is indestructible. They explain it in X2. If you find adamantium in it's rare liquid form, you have to keep it that way by keeping it hot. Once it cools, it's indestructible.

Also, why does drilling where the claws used to be give someone else Wolverine's powers?? That has never been the case. Mutants desperate to be normal would just have people drill their bones.

Plain and simple, this is the worst comic book movie I've ever seen. And I LOVE the X-men franchise more than any franchise out there.

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I throughly agree. It is a terrible film.

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Exactly. This whole movie is just one plot hole after another. The biggest being that there is no way they could cut off his claws because the metal is indestructible. They explain it in X2. If you find adamantium in it's rare liquid form, you have to keep it that way by keeping it hot. Once it cools, it's indestructible.


I do not think you understand what a plot hole is. You can dislike the premise, that's fine, but a character saying what he believes to be true with the information that he has available to him at the time and then being proven wrong is not a plot hole. Stryker had not found a way to destroy adamantium once it had been cooled and thus labeled it as indestructible (or, if you go with the Origins premise, he considered it indestructible where everything save other adamantium was concerned). As he is not an omniscient figure that is not something set in stone, but rather it's an opinion. In order for it to be a plot hole you would have to have seen them fail while trying to use the exact method shown in "The Wolverine" and then seen them succeed with it here.

Also, why does drilling where the claws used to be give someone else Wolverine's powers?? That has never been the case. Mutants desperate to be normal would just have people drill their bones.


1) Yashida was trying to tap into Wolverine's bone marrow.

2) So your premise is that it's ridiculous because people should have previously used a new technique that Yashida's company had developed even though it's a new technique? This makes sense to you, how exactly?

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Adamantium being indestructible is not opinion, it is fact. The comic book writers even had to invent their own metal because there is no "indestructible" metal in reality. And if drilling bone marrow just automatically transfers mutant abilities (which it never has) then why haven't we seen anyone else do this? Who needs Rogue's powers when you can permanently keep as many powers as you can get your hands on? The idea is utter stupidity. In fact the idea of it would be enough to practically destroy the X-men (and any other comic book) universe. This whole movie is not only filled with the plot holes I've mentioned before, but with many others as well. How did the human henchman stay on the train without an adamantium skeleton? With a little pocket knife? How exactly do you explain Mariko, a tiny woman knocking an adamantium robot suit over a cliff? The fact that the words "Adamantium Robot suit" were just used in order to discuss this movie just proves how stupid it is. And that's not even scratching the surface.

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Adamantium being indestructible is not opinion, it is fact. The comic book writers even had to invent their own metal because there is no "indestructible" metal in reality.


You're being very literal in a simplistic sort of way. Forgetting what the case is with the comics, (I know, it's difficult for someone like you to grasp, but these are different universes and thus are not beholden to one another) unless it has been shown in the movie universe that every single possible means of attacking adamantium will not work then it is not a fact that it is indestructable but rather an opinion because the only source we have for this indestructable claim is from a character who has not tried everything possible to prove that thesis.

And if drilling bone marrow just automatically transfers mutant abilities (which it never has) then why haven't we seen anyone else do this?


Okay, now you're just being stupid because I already explained to you that it was a NEW technique to harness Wolverine's healing power that Yashida's company developed and all you're doing is repeating your claim that it should have been possible to use this new technique before it was invented. It's like saying that if it was possible to fly in an airplane in 1903 then everyone would have been flying prior to that date.

Who needs Rogue's powers when you can permanently keep as many powers as you can get your hands on? The idea is utter stupidity. In fact the idea of it would be enough to practically destroy the X-men (and any other comic book) universe.


It's unclear whether the technique applies to all powers or specifically targets Wolverine's healing. Nevertheless, if you're worried about its implication outside of that one situation, it's a technology that Yashida's company invented and thus it likely died with him, assuming Mariko didn't opt to exploit it for financial gain. Although, Stryker invented a power copying process in Origins and, although, non-canonical, the sentinels in the Rogue Cut of DOFP were working on replicating Rogue's power so they could steal powers (as opposed to just mimic them) so it's likely a matter of time before someone else independently develops something like that.

This whole movie is not only filled with the plot holes I've mentioned before, but with many others as well.


The problem is that you do not seem to understand what a plot hole is. So far you've used it only to refer to things you don't like/didn't understand.

How did the human henchman stay on the train without an adamantium skeleton?


I'm not sure why you think an adamantium skeleton would make that scene more believable but, yes, that whole thing was a conceit.

How exactly do you explain Mariko, a tiny woman knocking an adamantium robot suit over a cliff?


I explain it by telling you that never happened; it's something you made up. Wolverine was the one who threw Yashida over the cliff, not Mariko. Mariko picked up two of Wolverine's adamantium claws. One she threw at Yashida's head, the other one she walked up with and calmly stabbed into his neck. She then backed off, never once pushing him in the slightest. Badly injured, Yashida stumbled back while Wolverine recovered until he was strong enough to go on the offensive. At which point he removed Yashida's chest plate, stabbed him with his regrown bone claws, dragged him over to the ledge, and then lifted him over.

Now, Mariko did knock into Yashida when he was getting ready to cut off Wolverine's claws (this was when Wolverine was restrained) so maybe that's what you're thinking of.

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Forgetting what the case is with the comics, (I know, it's difficult for someone like you to grasp, but these are different universes and thus are not beholden to one another) unless it has been shown in the movie universe


They specifically state it in X-men 2! What more proof do you need! It is fact in the comics and it's fact in the movies. Get over it.

I already explained to you that it was a NEW technique


Oh it all makes sense now. It's NEW. That makes it ok. No, the idea is still stupid. Now anyone can be a mutant if they want? Anyone can get rid of their powers if they want? Rogue's powers are meaningless? It's ridiculous. Doesn't matter when the idea was created if its a crappy idea for a movie.

the sentinels in the Rogue Cut of DOFP were working on replicating Rogue's power so they could steal powers (as opposed to just mimic them) so it's likely a matter of time before someone else independently develops something like that.


Now that at least makes sense. They NEEDED Rogue in order to replicate powers. I hate that he was able to just able to recreate this with a drill.

The problem is that you do not seem to understand what a plot hole is. So far you've used it only to refer to things you don't like/didn't understand.


Definition of Plot Hole:"A plot hole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot."

Those are exactly the things I've been pointed out this whole time. Now I've also been pointing out how stupid these things are and how much I hate them, but it doesn't change the fact that they're still plot holes.

Now, Mariko did knock into Yashida when he was getting ready to cut off Wolverine's claws (this was when Wolverine was restrained) so maybe that's what you're thinking of.


Yes my mistake, that was what I was talking about. Either way it's ridiculous.


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They specifically state it in X-men 2! What more proof do you need! ... and it's fact in the movies. Get over it.


As I explained to you, that was stated by Stryker, a character who had not tried every possible method to destroy adamantium and thus would have no way to know if it was indestructable or not. Therefore, that does not prove the claim to be true and the fact that you think it does is laughable. You either are taking anything you hear at face value without any critical thought or you are assuming that character dialogue is always used to relay accurate information that the writer(s) wants the viewer/reader to have.

Stryker also told Wolverine in "X2" that he thought he was unique until he found Lady Deathstrike. Had they made a movie set before the events of "X2" prior to its release (meaning, had such a movie come out before 2003) where he said to Wolverine; "You are unique. Nobody has healing powers like you do," very matter of factly would you now be on here saying that Lady Deathstryker shouldn't exist and asking what more proof I needed to say that it's nonsense to take his belief as gospel?

We may not have seen him originally say that, but he provided for us an example of where something he used to think was proven wrong. So why is it that you think he is infallible on his adamantium claim?

It is fact in the comics


It's also not literally indestructible in the comics either. It's only virtually indestructible.

For one, there are all these different types of adamantium and they have a penchant for revealing that the adamantium someone is using is a weaker version when it is shown to have vulnerabilities. It's rather convoluted. Basically, the notion that adamantium was "indestructible" or "unbreakable" was shown to not be the case so many times that they labeled the most common form of adamantium seen as Secondary Adamantium, which is a weaker variant that is more cost effective to produce, whereas True/Primary Adamantium is harder to produce and closer in form to the impossible to reproduce Proto-adamtium. True Adamantium, however, is not quite as durable as Proto-adamantium which has been damaged/destroyed on four occasions by very powerful forces (e.g. Thanos while wielding the Infinity Gauntlet). So there is no version that is literally indestructible.

Oh it all makes sense now. It's NEW. That makes it ok. No, the idea is still stupid. Now anyone can be a mutant if they want? Anyone can get rid of their powers if they want? Rogue's powers are meaningless? It's ridiculous. Doesn't matter when the idea was created if its a crappy idea for a movie.


Okay, you're welcome to that opinion, but the idea of technology striving to take mutant powers and the mutant struggle against that technology is not limited to this one movie, nor is it limited to the movies, period (the comics get into it as well).

Now that at least makes sense. They NEEDED Rogue in order to replicate powers. I hate that he was able to just able to recreate this with a drill.


They needed her power to steal powers, not mimic them. Even in the Rogue Cut, there's nothing to suggest that they didn't figure out how to do that by tampering with Mystique's DNA, which I'm sure is something that you also dislike. What happens in the Rogue Cut is that Bobby says they're experimenting on Rogue in order to learn how to steal all their powers. However, they're already able to mimic powers without being able to steal them (which is not Rogue's power) and the movie still points to Mystique as the source for that.


Definition of Plot Hole:"A plot hole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot."


Okay, first of all, that is the wikipedia definition. Second of all, that was recently updated erroneously and should be corrected. The part "or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot," comes entirely from this recent edit and is not supported by any valid source, nor is it accurate. The source used is another wiki. If you go there (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/plot_hole) you'll see that there's no source for that claim whatsoever. So you unfortunately happened to look up the wikipedia definition for the term when it was improperly messed with and before someone else has had a chance to realize and revert it.

Omissions are a normal part of storytelling (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceberg_theory) and are not plot holes. A plot hole is a type of gap in the story that is contradictory or illogical. A gap in the story that confuses the reader/viewer or makes them think is a mystery and mysteries are not plot holes. The wikiedia page does accurately note that, in contradiction to the improperly edited part that you quoted: "While many stories have unanswered questions, unlikely events or chance occurrences, a plot hole is one that is essential to the story's outcome." However, that's not sourced either and needs to be so the article is a bit of a mess as is.

Third of all, contradiction of character dialogue is not a plot hole either. A plot hole is considered a flaw in a story. A character lying or being mistaken is not a flaw and is a perfectly valid technique that is used in much of fiction. Children, however, who have a problem with nuance also seem to have difficulty grasping this concept and like to take the simple course of assuming that whatever characters say is gospel. In reality, you can only rely on what you actually see occur (in most cases). If you see a character trying every possible method to destroy adamantium and then you see another character succeed using one of those methods then that's a plot hole because it contradicted an established fact.

Contradictions of conjure or boastful claims made by characters is not a plot hole because characters should never be considered to be entirely reliable. The reason being that people in real life are not entirely reliable themselves and it's common in fiction to want to imitate that aspect of the human experience. It's not a "real life plot hole" when your mother tells you that if you get cold you will catch a cold and then you find out that's not how colds work. This hypothetical mother was just mistaken and understanding that that is possible because she is not omnipotent is a part of growing up. So too is understanding that writers do that with their characters and thus not everything a character says should be taken literally.

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My question is, would the adamantium part of the claws grow back? Or he's stuck with organic claws now?

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My question is, would the adamantium part of the claws grow back? Or he's stuck with organic claws now?


No. Adamantium is not natural to Logan. It was artificially applied to his skeleton during the Weapon X procedure, and the only reason Logan survived the process was because of his healing factor. therefore, Logan can regenerate his original bone claws, but they will not have adamantium unless they are re-coated again.

In the future of Days of Future Past, Logan again has adamatium claws. We are never given an explanation for it, so we must use our imagination. Many think that Magneto used his powers to reapply adamantium to his claws. Works for me! 

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Yes, Adamantium is indestructible, which is why the ending makes no goddamned sense. That should not have happened.

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Stryker says in X2 that once you manage to turn adamantium to it's liquid form, you have to keep it that way because once it solidifies, it is indestructible. He's had that adamantium in molten form at his Alkali Lake base ever since the original Weapon X program he diod on Logan, and he later used it on Yuriko (Lady Deathstrike).

The idea here is that adamantium can be cut by heated adamantium. Yes, it goes against what Stryker said in X2, but hey, perhaps Stryker had never tried it before!  They did the same thing in Xmen Origins: Wolverine, where Stryker had an adamantium bullet which is what penetrated Logan's adamantium skull and gave him amnesia. Fans hated it, though, because it was a silly idea.

I love The Wolverine, but the giant adamantium robot at the end was the weak point in an otherwise fantastic film.

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The sword was also adamantium and it was heated up. It's literally pure science

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