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Prejudice and discrimination in the Jewish Orthodox Community


Using the orthodox jewish context was genuinly refreshing, perhaps because it is such an extraordinary closed and unknown society yet imprinted in everybodies conciousness largely through the bible and the consequences of the history of anti semitism.

The film raises big questions for which there are no quick answers. Emancipatory rehtorics which fit other situations perhaps are shown to fail.

For myself as a gay man, the question did stand: What does happen to Jewish orthodox-raised children who grow to develop gay and lesbian feelings ?

I found myself judging this community. The idea of the modesty police i thought was questionable as was the scare tactics used to eject anybody who threatened a very conservative idea of conformity. Religion was used as an excuse to socially organise, very much along the patriarchal lines which Feminism has already exposed and examined and that there was nothing new or acceptable about the way prejudice was enacted within this community.

The question of lust is universal and separate from the question of sexual orientation. This separation allows for the possbility that a gay couple can worship equally in a religious temple and they too, like husbands, fathers and sons, must grapple with their own relationship between their faith and their lust. The bodily religious regalia, when stripped away, is revealed to be nothing more than a disguise, a costume and underneath, these people's bodies were no different or special in apperance to any other human body.

Sometimes Jewish discourses on sin come very close to an exceptional degree of liberalism through it's propensity towards understanding. This film illustrates that in one particular scene. It's not the wisdom of religion but rather the social customs enacted as law which prohibit gay and lesbian members of orthodox families to become accepted. It's a fetishisation of cultural identity over righteousness, to the point it can no longer hear and see it's own offspring.

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Good points all around.

I think those of us outside such a community would certainly judge it. After all, it is basically about group identity and social cohesion.

Religion as an excuse to socially organize is probably the rule rather than the exception in the world, anyway, with the notable exception of most Western countries, except in the United States where there are numerous closed religious communities that behave in the same way: Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, numerous evangelic and pentecostal sects.

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Where I live, it seems anything goes. Litter everywhere, girls cussing up a storm in the restaurant. I finally had enough and said something and they mouthed off, something about a free country, they can talk whatever way they want etc. I asked the waitress and manager if that kind of language was acceptable and they were very timid and refused to halt the behavior.

Sometimes a stricter society seems desirable, but then those papers all over the place talking about " a sinner is in our neighborhood" seem absurdly overkill, laughable considering basic human nature. Do we not all gossip? Tell white lies? Refuse to forgive? All of these things are sins according to the Bible and yet no one prints out a paper for them!

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The scenes with the posters declaring a sinner is among us, and talking about boycotting the butcher, and finaly throwing the stones through his window made me think of movies I've seen where nazis did the exact same thing to Jews.

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Interesting points (alhtough perhaps a little 'tirade-y'...lol)

I think it's easy to judge things we don't fully understand. What's more interesting perhaps is to try and understand the perspectives and motivations behind the various reactions of the community.

I think it's also noteworthy that the rabbi tries to stop the gang of youths from their violent behaviour. I can certainly imagine many other scenarios in which that would not have happened.

I think when it comes down to it the fact that the movie is set in a religious jewish community is merely happenstance. The theme is about the conflict between being true to one's own nature and feelings and the need to adhere to the group's norms. That is quite clearly a universal theme. Certainly one which doesn't only play out in religious communities.

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