They're slow, stupid and just plain annoying.
People that you KNOW are dying around you for a child that doesn't have any emotional investment in. These characters treat the child as if she was their own. If people started dying around me just so some punk kid who could turn out to be a douchebag, forget it! Let the kid fend for herself.
Four out of the five friends died to save the little kid. You gotta to ask, was it worth it? Its ridiculous to think that anyone would care more for some unknown kid than their close friends. The alarm bells should have went off much before the bullets started flying. Its one thing to help a little girl, quite another thing to risk everyone's life to save her.
Ah I forgot its just a movie, everyone wants to be a selfless hero.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither ~ B. Franklinshare
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I am sorry but I refuse to do that in the message board. If I was writing a review, I would have made sure to put spoiler alert wherever necessary because reviews are meant to be read by people who haven't watched the movie yet.
But the message board is for discussion after you have watched it. As such there is no reason for anyone hating spoilers to strode around the message board and read individual comments before watching the movie.
I can understand people complaining about spoiler in the title of the thread but what you are asking is ridiculous.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither ~ B. Franklinshare
I agree. The message board is for discussing the entirety of a film. Spoiler alerts should be kept off the subject title ONLY because IMDB posts some of the subject titles on the main page of the film.
Botany Bay? Bought on Ebay?!! Oh NO!!!
I agree with both you two. You know the kid is going to receive little to no harm, so the suspense is deflated because that means the ones who receive the most harm are the ones trying to protect her. And if the people aren't police or government agents or her family, you have to question the characterizations of a movie that wants the viewer to believe total strangers put their lives in danger for kids they don't know.
My sig: why do almost all movies on imdb have a "worst movie ever!" thread?
What?!
"You know the kid is going to receive little to no harm"
I don't know the statistics but I have a feeling that a lot of kidnapping victims are never heard from again, whether or not the money is delivered.
Sure, it's easy to say that you wouldn't help the child, but in reality, if you ever found yourself in that position - you and a bunch of your friends find a child alone in the wilderness - of course you would have to bring the child to safety. I believe you would actually be legally responsible as well.
What?!
"You know the kid is going to receive little to no harm"
I don't know the statistics but I have a feeling that a lot of kidnapping victims are never heard from again, whether or not the money is delivered.
Sure, it's easy to say that you wouldn't help the child, but in reality, if you ever found yourself in that position - you and a bunch of your friends find a child alone in the wilderness - of course you would have to bring the child to safety. I believe you would actually be legally responsible as well.
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"I was talking about in movies, not real life"
oh i see - the characters were supposed to say "well , we're in a movie so the kid'll be fine, lets just put her back in the box, she'll be ok for 70 minutes when the credits roll"
Its not the first post i've seen here saying 'why do 5 people risk their lives for a stranger?'
it was i situation they were just thrown into.
They didnt have a choice. I dont see handing the kid back as a choice.
*maybe* if theyd left her in the box ransome would be paid and she'd go home. But they couldnt know that,most kids in boxes buried alive are not going to be that lucky.
the situation could also have been.
- being sold on to other traffickers to become a child prostitute kept in a basement for years constantly raped ending with a bullet in the head or beaten to death
- all kinds of similarly unspeakable things in that location by Myra Hindly types
- she could have fked up child abusing parents who put her there as a punishment and would beat her all her life
- the kidnappers may have been planning to take the money and not give the location, just leave her to die ( air pipe only for until money arrive)
It'd take a pretty cold MFker to say "look, 2 of us are dead - i say we give up the kid".
Obviously i've never been in that situation and just typing from a comfy armchair, but i dont think i'd do that.
"I was talking about in movies, not real life"
oh i see - the characters were supposed to say "well , we're in a movie so the kid'll be fine, lets just put her back in the box, she'll be ok for 70 minutes when the credits roll"
Its not the first post i've seen here saying 'why do 5 people risk their lives for a stranger?'
it was i situation they were just thrown into.
They didnt have a choice. I dont see handing the kid back as a choice.
*maybe* if theyd left her in the box ransome would be paid and she'd go home. But they couldnt know that,most kids in boxes buried alive are not going to be that lucky.
the situation could also have been.
- being sold on to other traffickers to become a child prostitute kept in a basement for years constantly raped ending with a bullet in the head or beaten to death
- all kinds of similarly unspeakable things in that location by Myra Hindly types
- she could have fked up child abusing parents who put her there as a punishment and would beat her all her life
- the kidnappers may have been planning to take the money and not give the location, just leave her to die ( air pipe only for until money arrive)
It'd take a pretty cold MFker to say "look, 2 of us are dead - i say we give up the kid".
Obviously i've never been in that situation and just typing from a comfy armchair, but i dont think i'd do that.
I don't have kids but have friends with children. Whenever they come across a child in trouble they always help that child, their motivation seems to be "what if it was my child, what would I want somebody to do?" So I can see a parent risking her/his life to help a child they don't know and taking the chance that their life would ensure the life and safety of a child. Every I know says their fear is living longer than their child. Every parent I know who has lost a child never seems to recover from it. Sure they may live life and be there for their other children but all admit crying about it everyday and wondering what they could have done different even if they had no control over what happened.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
I don't have kids but have friends with children. Whenever they come across a child in trouble they always help that child, their motivation seems to be "what if it was my child, what would I want somebody to do?" So I can see a parent risking her/his life to help a child they don't know and taking the chance that their life would ensure the life and safety of a child. Every I know says their fear is living longer than their child. Every parent I know who has lost a child never seems to recover from it. Sure they may live life and be there for their other children but all admit crying about it everyday and wondering what they could have done different even if they had no control over what happened.
People with kids will help another kid in trouble because we hope everyone would do the same.
It's called empathy and it's what socicety is based on.
Anyone that does not understand that is not someone I wan't to meet.
Society as we know it only exists because people compromise their best possible outcome with one that is acceptable to us but sub-optimal. At the same time the outcome is beneficial to the whole AKA Society. Horror movies exagerate that choice but at no point in the proceedings would I have given up the wee girl.
You judge each moment as it comes. Once people are dead they are out of that moral equation. At no point is there a cut your losses moment.
If you think there is you are a part of the problem of why stuff like this ever happens.
That was maybe a bit much of a comment for a horror movie but seriously.
Amend your thinking.
Luv and Peace.
EdShift.
People with kids will help another kid in trouble because we hope everyone would do the same.
It's called empathy and it's what socicety is based on.
Anyone that does not understand that is not someone I wan't to meet.
Society as we know it only exists because people compromise their best possible outcome with one that is acceptable to us but sub-optimal. At the same time the outcome is beneficial to the whole AKA Society. Horror movies exagerate that choice but at no point in the proceedings would I have given up the wee girl.
You judge each moment as it comes. Once people are dead they are out of that moral equation. At no point is there a cut your losses moment.
If you think there is you are a part of the problem of why stuff like this ever happens.
That was maybe a bit much of a comment for a horror movie but seriously.
Amend your thinking.
Luv and Peace.
EdShift.
I'm flabbergasted at your views and the views of the first to posters!
If I found a child who had been kidnapped would I try to save them, even if that meant risking my own life? Too bloody right I would. As would everyone I know.
Can you call a soldier irresponsible? He/she leave their families for others, knowing that death can come anyday.
shareCan you call a soldier irresponsible? He/she leave their families for others, knowing that death can come anyday.
Well, hate to break it to you, but if you live on planet USA, than you meet them everyday. A good number of people won't even pick up the phone when they hear someone screaming for their lives.
shareWell, hate to break it to you, but if you live on planet USA, than you meet them everyday. A good number of people won't even pick up the phone when they hear someone screaming for their lives.
Absolute truth. Girl in this movie was very unnatural and that sacrifice for her in some moments was understandable, but view of highlands was nice :)
--- Life is like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get. ---
They could have freed her and told her to run.
shareSo you're saying that if you see danger you're just gonna let the kid get hurt, killed, whatever because you have no emotional attachment for her/him. That's pretty damn selfish.
Would I sacrifice my friends to protect her? No, because my friends are the type who would also do their best to protect a young child in danger. It would be their choice to stick around but its my choice to risk myself.
Its a sad future when grown people will just let kids be hurt or killed because they don't wanna get involved
I was really into this movie and I simply enjoyed watching it.
The way they kept protecting the child, after each one of of them kept dying, was extremely unrealistic though.
They didn't even shed a tear, when their fellows died. No emotional reaction whatsoever. This is either a plot hole or simply bad acting (although I considered the acting to be very good for most parts).
Never been in such a situation (and sure as hell hope I will never be) but i believe that when in very tense situation, maybe you won't cry at the moment - tears come afterwards...
"Oh my God, us too", said everyone, ever.
I swear movie makers know and put them in there just to support the main friction points in the movie. The way a supporting actress supports the lead. But I thought the practice was in decline after War of the Worlds and Dakota Fanning's screams and general distraction.
Sorry, that's not to say kids don't belong in movies - of course they do. Even action movies. But when they're used like this movie does it, it just serves as an irritasnt. Oh and also through most of the movie she just panted, screamed, and gobbledeygew'd her way through far too many scenes. This is the director and writers faults though, not the actress, because she at least seemed believable.