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Have just watched the first 90 minutes of this (spoilers)


Oh. My. God. What a mess.

So we kick off with Helo from Battlestar Galactica in a bar, which duly gets blown up by a suicide bomber (Oriental rebel type, rather than risk alienating any Muslim viewers). Bomb takes out him, his girlfriend and her mates (consisting of an old gay couple and an old straight couple).

Helo then wakes up in an admittedly pretty decent visualisation of the scene from To Your Scattered Bodies Go where Burton woke up pre-resurrection, and at this point I think "ok, wrong character, but nicely executed". Right up until the point that Bit from Tron turns up and starts buzzing around. Then an Ethical turns up. Ethicals, inexplicably, look like refugees from Blue Man Group. Ethical then phasers away a bracelet Helo is wearing. (Later turns out this is a "grail band" which you need to operate the grail stones. You put one of these up to a grail stone and you get a little container full of grub. The "chosen" ones don't have grail bands. Nice one, Ethicals - make your agents dependent on the kindness of strangers from day one. But I digress).

Helo then wakes up underwater. In the same clothes he was wearing when he died. Errrm, right. And to think people on this board were worried about resurrectees not having hair.

He swims to the bank of the river - and the first person he meets is the woman from the old couple in the bar. Ok, fine, we'll go with that. They make their way to a grailstone - where there are already wooden huts etc. We then round up, get this, pretty much everyone who had been in the bar when it went kaboom apart from Helo's missus. At this point the phrase "epic fail" is starting to wander around my mind.

Helo does obligatory "have you seen Jessie" bit, asking random people. By this point it wouldn't have surprised me if he'd been able to whip a photo out of his pocket. He bumps into Richard Burton (who it would seem is being set up to be the series villain. Yes, you heard that right.) Turns out Burton is also looking for Helo's squeeze. Burton kicks Helo's arse.

We then have Burton confronted by his own member of Blue Man Group where they fling in statements like "the Second Chancers might have already got to him". By now it's seeming like they took Farmer's original books along with a few scripts from Lost, flung them in a blender and chose random phrases.

I was just about to give up on it when the infonugget emerges that not everyone has been resurrected at the same time. Hmmm. Interesting plot twist, which I suppose lets them get away with having our main character resurrected into a Riverworld that seems to be already have the "rules" of the world already known by everyone except our intrepid main character, and houses, huts, technology etc being already extant. So I stick with it.

It's getting monotonous now. Basically Francisco Pizarro turns up as another villian, proceeds to enslave people. It emerges that Pizarro and Burton are waiting for Sam Clemens to turn up in the Not For Hire. Gritting my teeth I repeat to myself "but we've come into the story late, not everyone was resurrected on day one, so maybe the Hire could have been built by now".

Oh, you know that other people have mentioned how there are horses in Riverworld? They're robot horses. We find this out because one of them gets sliced open. Yes, robot horses. This is going on the Sci Fi channel after all. Of course we have to have robot horses. Consider yourself lucky they didn't have Cylons (well, Helo is in it, and did I mention that Gaeta is the young version of one of the gay guys?).

The Not For Hire turns out to be this ramshackle thing, hardly the cross between the QE2 and a riverboat that I always imagined. Budget cuts, you know. I suppose it was cheaper to rent out this crappy old boat than to CG a credible Not For Hire. Oh, and it isn't powered by a batacitor. It's powered by a mini warp core type thing that one of the ethicals gave to Sam in return for some unnamed future favour. We have no Joe Miller - instead we have this African guy - turns out he used to be a taxi driver - as the head of the Hire's marines. But hey, African feller's brother was a soldier so at least military acumen is in his family.

We have a bit of a battle. Japanese nun-type woman who I've not mentioned yet but latched onto Helo's group fairly early on suddenly turns into an extra from Kill Bill, turns out to be a samurai, and kicks Pizarro's arse. Burton abandons Pizarro. Clemens turns up at last knockings and shoots Pizarro in the back. Hoorah. The forces of good have triumphed.

We get back to the Not For Hire where Burton's turned up and got the jump on everyone. He steals the boat and kills Helo for good measure. And that's basically the end of the first 90 minutes.

Ok, there were some bits I liked. As I said, I liked the resurrection chamber look. And having staggered resurrection does have advantages for TV. You sacrifice the en mass "WTFOMG?!" opening scenes of To My Scattered Bodies Go, but you can jump straight in with your main character straight into plotlines already on the go, and not have to spend the first few hours setting the scene. You can learn things along with the main character in exposition from other characters who've been in Riverworld for longer, which makes for a faster pace. This is a miniseries, after all - otherwise we'd have taken half the time available to get through resurrection day. I can see the logic of that choice.

But what they did with it? Bleaugh.

Who knows, maybe it'll settle down in subsequent episodes. Maybe the point was to get us somewhere analogous to the halfway stage of the books early on, and later hours will be more authentic. But they could have done this so more better. And there is so much wrong with what I've seen so far that I don't have much confidence.

So, people - fans of PJF's work. Be afraid. Be very afraid. And pray to the Ethicals that producers can salvage something from this. Because after the attempt in 2003, if this doesn't work, unlike the resurrectees, there won't be a second chance for Riverworld on TV.

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the second half wasn't much better . dude gets revived and they sail away in a zeppelin and get to some weird mad scientist lab on top of a mountain which then gets blown up by douche bag . helo and the girl and douche all get revived again meanwhile i still cant figure out why i kept watching . oh , samurai girl gets killed/revived . this is to save money on new characters i guess . what a bunch of sh*t .

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pretty much sums it up. The thought of a show based on this is kind of frightening.

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Yes folks, it truly is as bad as described above! This was one movie that truly was difficult to see through. I thought the production value was absolutely horrendous, it was the quality seen in cheap commercials. Absolute horrible directing I might add. It seemed as if everyone was on auto pilot through out. Every scene was acted more like what you would expect a bunch of actors reciting lines in a rehearsal. I might also like to add some of the FX were the quality scene in cheap Scifi films circa 1995.

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It's awful, not even Helo can save this soggy mess. I didn't like anything about it. All the characters sucked. Looked like it was written by someone smoking the funny colored cigarettes.

I liked the original movie so much better. This plot sux. Who cares if he finds his girlfriend/fiance. Didn't she say they only knew each other for like two months anyway? Just plain who cares. And they are planning on a whole series of having him looking for her, UGH. Stupid. The Burton and Pizzaro characters make no sense and just suck as villains. I would never watch a full series of these jerks. The only character I thought was even mildly interesting was the samurai woman. She would have been better to have built a movie or a series about.

I'm not watching this as a series. It's so bad, they should be paying us to sit through any of it.

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That is truly one thing that really bugged me. He had known this girl for 2 months. While they did not say how long he was out of the country, it is safe to say that while knowing her for only 2 months, he was with her for even less. Talk about a fatal flaw here. Flawed because he seems to want to move the Earth and the Sun in order to be with her...after 2 months? Sorry but I really did not see a true love in the making, a romance to last the ages. What I saw was writing that was just not well done.

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I remember him saying he spent (57?) days with her. Meaning that those days we was really with her physically. I think the relationship could have been longer. Either way he felt what he felt and for alot of people this type of feeling can be alot quicker. Also it was not true love. She did not feel the same way.

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I'm usually a pretty staunch critic of SyFy series (both for their low production values and sub-par acting), but I was pleasantly surprised with this show. I will admit that some of the dialogue is quite cringe-worthy, but its nothing worse than I've seen from other SyFy TV sows.

Look, it was nothing special, but I really do hope it gets picked up for an entire series run. The possible storylines that this show can go down is literally limitless (afterall, there are thousands of famous dead people).

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It's probably worth remembering that Philip Jose Farmer (the guy who wrote the short story, later expanded into a series of novels, on which this is based) expressed his intention to write rather more novels set in the same "world", but seems never to have got around to it. WOuld there be howls of outrage if those other novels had drifted slightly away from the minutiae of the original books? Read them - each one is accompanied by a brief note from the author, in which he apologises for doing JUST THAT - forgetting what he's already written, and changing things by mistake!

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I liked it

Had some faults. Its nice to compare it to 2003

This one seem a more vast world. But I like 2003 beach awakening scenes..cause 2003 it was basicly very little explantion, he wasnt paired up with people he knew right away, it had more mixed people from time lines (alien and cavement) and general bigger sense of confusion

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Actually this is an improvement over the first adapation and although not perfect at least some of Farmer's characters were kept around. As far as the production values they aren't any worse than "Battlestar Galatica" (well, except we don't have a battlestar to work with here folks).

At least the creators of the show TRIED to remain faithful to many of the concepts of the book. I reread Farmer's novels a couple of years ago and as strong as they were in terms of conception and the character of Burton, they're flawed as well.

I think you folks are being a bit over critical. Remember, TV (and movies) are made by a committee which means there are compromises outside of the budget.

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A better question might be WHY are people watching this?

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It was listed on the main home window of my Netflix, mouse over said Laura Va... hottie from V, so I thought I'd give it a shot. Yeah, not sure how I made it through this first half, no plans on finishing it.

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There is a difference, though, between changing details here and there, and doing things like turning heroic characters into villains (Burton, the novels' hero, seems now to have taken King John's place for some damned reason). It's made all the more baffling by the fact that these aren't fictional characters to be repurposed as is convenient, but people from history, with well-documented lives and personalities.

Moreover, the appeal of the series was that nearly every major character was right out of history. So WHY???? do both film versions screw this up entirely by creating bland, generic modern characters to be the leads? It's just laziness. They can't be bothered to write for actual historical characters so they push those to the periphery to focus on John Doe and his girlfriend Jane Smith. Not to mention doing this "resurrection in stages" so that everyone they meet can spout exposition to keep the audience from having to do any thinking or figure things out for themselves. But that's boring.

Christ. Robot horses? If that's true I don't think I can even give this a chance.

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The novels contained a mixture of historical and fictional people. In the first book you've got Kaz and Frigate. In the second one Joe Miller. In the third, Jill Gulbirra, Milton Firebrass, and Piscator play major roles. Frigate returns in the fourth book.

Presumably they went with a generic modern character to act as an audience stand in. He's something familiar in this odd world. I think it's a bit unnecesarry but I see the logic behind it

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I've read all the books more than once and all of the associated stories. There is just no excuse for the apparent attempt to make this what it is not.

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It feels like they tried swinging for the fences with another BSG, but the horrific writing, awful acting and laughably low budget really made for a horrible mess of a show.

It felt like they spent most of their production budget on that tugboat, err I mean "river boat". Nothing left for sets, costumes or CGI. Blech.

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I only read part of this. Two little nitpicks stick with me

1) To be fair, in the novels, the Ethicals tended, for the most part, to resurrect people who had died in the same time and location together. This presumably made their job somewhat easier and also would have provided a basis for communication and the formation of society

2) Yes waking up IN the river is a change from the novels but I think it's a good one. It's a nice metaphor, it works visually, and it gives us some good action right off the bat with people running up out of the river.


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Thanks to everyone for all of the warnings.

I hated the 2003 miniseries, and it is obvious that I won't be wasting my time watching this one.


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They butchered those novels. Like trying to do The Lord of The Rings in 4 hours with a budget of 5 bucks. Horrible.

The guy who played Sam was the only bright spot.

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They butchered those novels. Like trying to do The Lord of The Rings in 4 hours with a budget of 5 bucks. Horrible.

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