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More Films about Jewish side of WWII?


You'd think nothing else happened in that war. We know the story can we move on to other ones please? Jewish people never had the highest casualties during the war; isn't there some other tragedy that we can make films about?

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Yes and no. Yes - because there are many stories and tragedies happened during the war, no - because people should never forget about Holocaust. Can you imagine that suddenly you loose 30 people from your family because you are who you are, or because you are from one nation? Can you imagine that in Germany there has been made research that indicates that Germans between 18 and 29 don't know what was Auschwitz? But it's not a case just younger Germans, people in the world don't want to learn history. If we forget history, it happens that tragedies can be repeated.

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It repeated (on a lesser scale relative to a lesser territory) in Europe in 1992-1995. When Spielberg was shooting "never again" Schindler's List in central Europe in the winter of 1992, several hundred kilometers to the south there were operating cocentration camps in Bosnia where civilians were being exterminated just like in Holocaust. Entire families were being wiped out by the Serbs.
When Israelis invite Serb officials (especially the nationalistic ones) to state visits, they obviously don't know that Bosnia's Jews were also victims in that more recent war. Sarajevo aka "Little Jerusalem" is a city where Jews have been living freely since they were expelled from Spain. Many of them joined Bosnia's defense forces out of gratitude for that old friendship. Some Jews also saved several Bosnian families from the genocide.

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Government of Israel airlifted most of Bosnian Jews from Sarajevo, only those who wished to stay behind did.

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Surisis,

I understand what you are saying.

However, you must understand that Jews were one of a number of groups that were exterminated in a planned, designed, constructed, industrial process. These groups were not murdered in some "crime of passion"; these crimes were carefully orchestrated with precision and attention to detail.

The Jews were a prime target, as they have been for centuries. There are many survivors of the death camps still alive today. As long as any survivors live, their story *must* be told.

If you are so concerned about other tragedies not getting the attention they deserve, please feel free to make a film or films about these events. I don't think anyone is preventing you from doing so.

In fact, millions of men and women died so that you can complain about people not making the movies you want to see, or more accurately, complain about movies you don't want to see.

Until you have actually spoken to a camp survivor you have nothing meaningful to say. Do yourself a favor and visit the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, here in Washington, DC. You will be forever changed.






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You must be Jewish.


Why do you say that?



Jews were a prime target for a reason. They're still a target for a reason.


What the fu_k do you mean by that?



Unfortunately, these movies have become stale and people don't really care about the holocaust anymore. So 90's.


People don't care about the Holocaust anymore? Have you ever met a camp survivor and heard what they had to say?

No?

You must be a Nazi.







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Yep, pretty sure you're Jewish now.

Apathetic towards holocaust = Nazi.

Care about holocaust and protect Jews with my own life = normal.

No, I haven't, and I don't really care for it. Therefore I'm a Nazi? By your logic 50% of the world are Nazis because i'm sure Indians and far east asians don't give a *beep* about it.

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So... having a healthy understanding of history = Jewish?

I'm pretty sure you have never even met a Jew, let alone a camp survivor.



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"A healthy understanding of history"?

I'm sure that, even by seeing one of the 134536747 movies that have been made about the Holocaust, one can get plenty of information.

But how much information do you get about the gypsies, homosexuals, Communists that died in the hands of the nazis? How much information do you get about the victims in other nations that got invaded by nazi-era Germany? And how much info do you get about innocent Palestinian civilians killed by Israel? Are there enough movies made about those subjects? Hardly.

How about getting yourself "a healthy understanding of history"?

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So... your understanding of history is only gleaned from watching movies?

That's just wrong.




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If there are people who think there are groups who suffered at the hands of the German's in WW2 then they should sit down and write a film script about it and try and get it produced. In fact there have been a lot of films made about different groups who suffered in WW2, in Europe and Asia. It just takes some effort to get off your ass and find them. You might start with Kanal and Ray's Distant Thunder and Shipitko's Ascent and keep on looking. I think the complaints are simply anti Semitic despite the usual defense which always works out to just because I've said something anti Semitic doesn't make me an anti semite. Yes complaining about films where Jews suffered in WW2 IS anti Semitic, so don't play coy. You know why you brought up the subject in the first place.

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I think you may be responding to the wrong post.




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Just replying in general to the thread.

1. You'd think nothing else happened in that war. We know the story can we move on to other ones please? Jewish people never had the highest casualties during the war; isn't there some other tragedy that we can make films about?

2. Apathetic towards holocaust = Nazi.

Care about holocaust and protect Jews with my own life = normal.

No, I haven't, and I don't really care for it. Therefore I'm a Nazi? By your logic 50% of the world are Nazis because I'm sure Indians and far east asians don't give a *beep* about it.

3. I'm sure that, even by seeing one of the 134536747 movies that have been made about the Holocaust, one can get plenty of information.
But how much information do you get about the gypsies, homosexuals, Communists that died in the hands of the nazis? How much information do you get about the victims in other nations that got invaded by nazi-era Germany? And how much info do you get about innocent Palestinian civilians killed by Israel? Are there enough movies made about those subjects? Hardly.

Since the election of Obama a lot of racists feel comfortable in outing themselves because Rush and the Republicans have done it. Very similar objections to Red Tails most of which had to be taken down.

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Please explain how my post makes me racist?

"Yes complaining about films where Jews suffered in WW2 IS anti Semitic" No, in fact the OP was complaining about the sheer VOLUME of films being made about that subject. Nobody denied the holocaust, nobody said these films were wrong to depict this particular subject. And suggesting that Jewish people should be immune to criticism? Now THAT is counter-racism in my book. Every nation and race is equal, hence we are all equally open to criticism. End of story.

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Four scary old house movies have opened here in the past four months. The premise is always the same. Something terrible happened in the houses and now they're haunted. Made up horror and no one complains "Oh no, not another scary old house movie!". Yet a movie about a real horror, about the terrible REAL things that have happened, coming out once or twice a year, and there is a complaint about "volume". And the thing is no one is forced to go see there movies and in fact few people do go to see these movies, most of which just circulate in film festivals. Why the complaints in the first place? It couldn't be because.....

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Made up horror and no one complains "Oh no, not another scary old house movie!"


Oh, you bet people will complain when fiction movies repeat the same old story, without taking a new, refreshing perspective! Same with real-life stories. There have been enough movies (not to mention books, documentaries, etc.) on this particular subject for people to be well informed. Isn't it time to focus on some of the other populations that suffered in the hands of the Nazis?

And the thing is no one is forced to go see there movies


Of course no one is forced to go see there [sic] movies, it's just that they're impossible to escape. It's sort of like trying to avoid hearing a Justin Bieber song, or seeing another magazine with Kim Kardashian, yet there they are everywhere you go.

Why the complaints in the first place? It couldn't be because.....


Please finish your sentence so I can respond accordingly.


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But how much information do you get about the gypsies, homosexuals, Communists that died in the hands of the nazis?


2,000 or so homosexuals vs over 5 million Jews. Not quite the same scale, no? Btw, they do have films (like Bent).

By "Communists", I guess you mean Soviet POWs. Over 3 million of them. Few films for sucha great number (Escape from Sobibor is one, but those POWs were also Jewish, so...), because no one cares - but that's because the Soviet Union didn't care for them at all (the POWs were declared to be "traitors", and so were even their families - if they didn't die, they later went to the Soviet prison camps and penal units).

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"You'd think nothing else happened in that war. We know the story can we move on to other ones please? Jewish people never had the highest casualties during the war; isn't there some other tragedy that we can make films about?"

There have been plenty of movies dealing with other happenings during WWII. Here are a few...

Letters from Iwo Jima

How about The Downfall. That's about the last 24 hrs. (or was it 48 hrs.) of Hitler's life. Brilliant acting by Bruno Ganz.

A Woman In Berlin is about the arrival of Russians soldiers in Berlin. What those Russians did to the women there.... sickening. They were just as bad as the Japanese in Nanking.

Speaking of Nanking, maybe you should see City of Life and Death. Shortly before WWII, but full of tragedy. Very graphic, and difficult to watch. Very heartbreaking many times over, but since you asked about "other tragedies"...

In 1940, there was a twisted remake of the original Jew Suss. Pretty anti-semetic, and it's the German side of the story for once. I'm sure there are plenty of people around today who would love to see it for that reason alone.

Sophie Scholl - The Final Days is about a group anti-Nazi German students. They were unfortunately caught, which just made the film all the more tragic. True story.

The Counterfeiters is about a different group of Jews. They were used to produce counterfeit money for the Germans. It's very different and worth checking out.

If you can find it, watch Alone In Berlin. It is based on the book of the same title, but we Americans know it better as Every Man Dies Alone. Like Sophie Scholl, it's about German resistance. If you can't see the movie, I highly recommend the book.

that's all I can think of for now. If I remember any others, I'll post again.


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This is a long standing on my soap box one.

In particular about the death of gentiles in WW2. I suppose as they were not a definite sought out target they would be classed as the collateral damage.

The German ideology suggests that certain human types were SUB HUMAN. Odd that that particular target group actually felt the same away about its own population and eventually post war its satellite [JACKBOOTED] possessions.

The majority of those who are pissed off with tales of the FINAL SOLUTION may probably have some underlying problem bordering on anti Jewishness.

It strikes me as odd that so many nations which NAZI Germany quickly controlled managed to so easily fall into step with the 'get rid of your Jews' mantra. Also odd that in this case Poland so many CATHOLIC poles gained possession of houses Jews were forced out of. But being good POLES they returned those homes to the Jews post war. Sorry that is not true.

As a Brit I am even ashamed to know that out greatest ever Briton Winston Churchill was none too kindly disposed towards the JEW. Or indeed the INDIAN.

If it did any good I would gladly shed 6 million tears a day for that deliberately organized loss. I do however shed many whenever I see anything regarding that deliberate action. The great loss that Russia and China have as a result of internal politics cannot justify an outward show of tears from me as the remaining population seems indifferent and in some ways appears GLAD of the culling. I E Stalin was ever so great person even in Russian thought today.

I do shed tears for what was done to the Jews in particular. As for the Gypsy problem it is not so bad they are on my streets OFFICIALLY selling the big Issue as not even a 'PADDY' can be trusted to do that any more.

The homosexual thing was a red herring surely as we are regularly told that so many of the party faithful were into back passage forays. Rhoem leader of the Brown shirts [not a euphemism] was a well known but well tolerated brown shirt lifter. Hitler himself is often accused but me thinks not. He did only Haben Einen Ball.[Spike Milligan??]

I would not have such a great problem in losing some of the obnoxious and foul mouthed and ill mannered [a lister] *beep* carrying that particular banner in the UK.

Jews were and always have been a target in history. They have consistently over produced talent in every field other than Christian Archbishops and sexually abstaining child abusing priests [ Jews don't have the 'suffer little children to come onto me or is various interpretations]. It is an inbred world wide jealousy [usualy driven by charismatic hatred driven mouthpieces] [Irans leader and various POPES] of this ability that has caused its being targeted.

I admire as a [presbyterian born and as such educated ] but now agnostic?? the Jewish adherence to its faith while being a part of the world. I have great admiration for the nation of ISRAEL which gave my nation a bloody nose. I can appreciate that as I myself wished a bloody while serving in that nations army [BRITAIN] if it was going to pull out of Northern Ireland.

Israel may have equipped itself with something which may border upon creating doomsday. We should indeed all be watchful. The belief that they are chosen should not go completely unheeded. If the world is to go up in flames due to that nations decision, so be it. They have took enough from everyone to date.

The fact that those nations liberated by the USSR at the end of WW2 having within their borders the members of new NAZI well subscribed groups should tell us NORMAL people a lot about the underlying Psych of those peoples.

In this case POLAND. Liberated from Nazis by the genteel USSR in 1945 and then liberated again by the fall of Berlin wall and the Iron Curtain has itself a sizable interest in Nazism. Is it the same in the the other now liberated satellite iron curtain states.

I am not a Jew lover as may be pointed out by the bigots here but I do have an admiration for a people who have continually produced so much good for the world in all fields. Left to its own devices with brains like Einstein and Oppenheimer the world should indeed tremble. I fully respect Israel for not retaliating in an over the top way. I would indeed now be dead and not using an Internet which would not exist. But it is there, waiting.

So for all you disguised bigots. Stick to watching BNP and whatever your nation has to offer as similar fodder. Stop watching drama that is at least attempting to educate. The Jews are not going to make a WW2 drama about the plight of Romanian Gypsies abandoned at English ports or about how Elton John has had his baby taken away because he is an ill mannered foul and filthy mouthed individual with a complete perverted self confessed drug taker take on life. Well they cant cause that would be wrong to some one who has MONEY.

Just to square things up I would not have a problem watching a movie about a CONCENTRATION camp full of homosexuals being persecuted. I have to assume the guards would have sexually abused them as they allegedly did to the females in custody in the other camps.

Odd that the Jewish population has not increased at an exponential rate since so many were disposed of. What can be said about the homosexual or Gypsy in this regard and just how many of the captured Gypsies were Irish. No favours were done in that case even though so many think the Irish republic were contemplating German occupation to assist its independence. Occupation might have solved a little problem they still have in that respect although British reality TV has accommodated more than a few. homosexuals will suggest that that they now have a number in over two BILLION yet the population growth is not reducing exponentially.

No I am not homophobic. I just do not care about them. Or Burglars, murderers rapists, abusers, smokers, drink drivers, joyriders who only take but do not return cars,cowboy builders, North Koreans, the Tali ban. Katie Price, Kerry Katona [ my wife loves them both] Loyalists [I am a monarchist/Royalist], blue on blue Americans shooting off but not responsible for murder, I am afraid this line could go on a great deal but bed beckons and my meeting with beyonce and shakira. This is a nightly occurrence but I am sure as usual they will just leave me a note saying that the window of opportunity is so slight because of the schedule they had to go on to next appointment. I should not have tried to correct my spelling mistakes as they indeed had gone and I am left with my plain old friend Pamela.

So to end it might be good idea to have movies about the Stalin and Mao resettlement periods and include the the Spanish treatment of the native populations in their sphere of interest. While we are at this how about how the British ran away and left the indigenous population in North America [not CANADA] to the victorious [4th July boys] in the War of Independence. Civil war[ well the war of independence was a civil war really ] may have still come but under other circumstances,later Custer may not have had to have a last stand and the redskin may not have been treated as the savage subhuman of the 19th century to date. He seems to have been a normal human in Canada.

BTW all movies that don't mention the war are probably those you want made and you can view ten a penny per week without seeing a Jew being persecuted. The great Escape or Bridge too far are examples of non Jew orientated war movies with non Jews being killed. However if you want a laugh then you are going to go along way to avoid JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS JEWS.



















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The homosexual thing was a red herring surely as we are regularly told that so many of the party faithful were into back passage forays. Rhoem leader of the Brown shirts [not a euphemism] was a well known but well tolerated brown shirt lifter. Hitler himself is often accused but me thinks not. He did only Haben Einen Ball.[Spike Milligan??]

classic...you are a decent writer.

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There have been made a lot of movies about other victims of WWII and the Nazis. One movie not mentioned in the various posts is "Bent" about two homosexuals in a concentration camp. The thing is, there are a lot of stories about individual PEOPLE out there. I liked this movie because I was unfamiliar with the story of Leopold Socha or that there were so many Poles that risked their lives to save Jews from being killed. I came away with a new appreciation for the harships that ordinary people suffered during the Nazi occupation.

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Perhaps you would prefer Dark Blue World


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Then don't watch the film and search out other films to watch. It's that simple!

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