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Gay and brown.Later probably its revealed that shes non-binary/trans/they/them/zee/zar
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You knew it already. It's been in the entertainment news for months. So stop trying to act like you didn't know just to sound "smart"...😂😂😂
shareYeah, I didn't even know this thing even existed until I was scrolling through HBO Max last week and saw it on there. But go ahead and speak for me like you know what you're talking about so that, you too, can sound "smart" since that was apparently my intention, according to you.
shareWell it's not like Velma EVER, in 50 years of cartoons, even showed any interest in a man.
So... the big unanswered question is Shaggy's orientation! He never showed any interest in a living thing, except for his dig.
"except for his dig"
What?
A fairly obvious typo. It happens. The "i" & "o" are right next to each other on the keyboard.
shareThank you, I did mean "dog". The dog that Shaggy treated like a life partner...
https://64.media.tumblr.com/1ec0b046dbdf83c4fa6630140b3ab6b5/07b9800b4b4d27b3-46/s540x810/1725eba88f617bfb06cdfcc9be66ad4774ec6a49.gifv
Did Velma ever, in 50 years of cartoons, show interest in a woman?
And as for Shaggy, depending on how quickly the show is cancelled, I guess that means he'll be bangin his dog in no time. Extra woke checkmarks.
Didn't she have a crush on Shaggy at one point? I haven't watched a Scooby Doo show in a long while, but I'm told that's the case in some later episodes.
shareVelma and Shaggy were in a (somewhat reluctant, on his part) relationship in the Mystery Incorporated show. But she began to believe he thought more of his dog than he did of her.
shareWhy do you assume Velma was heterosexual in the original?
shareBecause not only are the majority of people heterosexual, making it statistically much more likely that Velma would be straight than gay, but because the pair of writers who originally created Scooby Doo, Joe Ruby and Ken Spears, were both straight men, and it's incredibly unlikely that they had the slightest intention of creating a gay character for a kid's cartoon show in 1969.
shareDid the writer's also speculate on Velma's religion? I checked, Joe Ruby was Jewish. Is Velma Jewish? Was Velma raised by a single mother, two parents? Was she adopted?
I doubt the writers speculated on her sexuality. It was a grey area like religion and her upbringing which wasn't addressed.
20%+ of people are lesbian, gay or bisexual by recent statistics.
There were 5 regular characters on Scooby Doo. Statistics show one of them was gay or bisexual. Maybe it was Velma. Maybe it was the dog. So why do you all assume Velma was straight?
Did the writer's also speculate on Velma's religion? I checked, Joe Ruby was Jewish. Is Velma Jewish?
Maybe, maybe not. It was quite common in the 20th century for Jewish writers to create incontestably non-Jewish characters, almost certainly to cater to the fact that the vast majority of their audience was non-Jewish. Examples are Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster (Superman), Bob Kane and Bill Finger (Batman), Joe Simon and Jack Kirby (Captain America), et al.
I doubt the writers speculated on her sexuality. It was a grey area like religion and her upbringing which wasn't addressed.
So why wouldn't they have defaulted to hetero, given that that's what both they, and the great majority of their audience were?
20%+ of people are lesbian, gay or bisexual by recent statistics.
No, actually, they're not.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/259571/americans-greatly-overestimate-gay-population.aspx
And the key quotes from this article are:
"Even the groups offering the lowest average estimates of gays and lesbians in the U.S. exceed Gallup's figure on all LGBT identification by about four times." (emphasis added).
"Gallup has seen the percentage of self-identifying LGBT people grow among millennials, who are making up an increasing share of the U.S. adult population."
And one very likely explanation for the greater number of millennials who identify as LGBT: it's trendy.
here were 5 regular characters on Scooby Doo. Statistics show one of them was gay or bisexual.
Again, false. See above.
Maybe it was Velma. Maybe it was the dog. So why do you all assume Velma was straight?
For reasons I have explained above: there is absolutely no reason to assume her creators ever intended her to be gay.
People currently writing the character have proclaimed her to be because, once again, it's trendy. share
Uh, no, 20.8% of Generation Z, 20 year olds, identify as queer. This is from Gallup. These are people who are having sex now. I'm sure they know what they like.
It's trendy for some guy to let me fuck him in the ass? 🤣
https://news.gallup.com/poll/389792/lgbt-identification-ticks-up.aspx
The numbers are higher among younger people because there's less stigma attached as there is for middle-aged people. But we've always been about 20%. The general consensus is correct. You're the one living in the past.
So no, one of the 5 characters would statistically be LGBT. It might be Velma, It might be one of the other 4.
But there is nothing statistically incorrect about Velma being bisexual.
And now she is! Get over it.
And you have no clue whether or not Velma is Jewish.
Uh, no, 20.8% of Generation Z, 20 year olds, identify as queer. This is from Gallup. These are people who are having sex now. I'm sure they know what they like.
It's trendy for some guy to let me fuck him in the ass?
These are people asking questions for pollsters. The pollsters aren't following them into the bedroom to make sure they're walking the walk, not just talking the talk. So I amfar from convinced those numbers are accurate.
But to answer your question, yes, it can be trendy to let some guy fuck you in the ass. It depends on the culture. Pederasty was widely practiced in ancient Greece, and probably a majority of young boys played the role of erômenos (submissive younger partner) to an older male erastês. Does this mean 90% of the population in ancient Greece was innately homosexual or bisexual in orientation (not to mention being ephebophiles)? Or was it merely the case that it was commonplace in their culture, they were raised to regard it as normal, and this led many people to engage in sexual practices they would not have had their cultural mores been different, and their society not actively promoted and encouraged those practices?
That's a rhetorical question by the way.
And don't tell me to get over it. Fuck you. I don't have to get over shit. I don't have to like the current mania in Hollywood for race-swapping, gender-swapping, and now sexual orientation-swapping legacy characters.
Try creating new characters to tell the stories you want to tell, if you want make those aspects of their character prominent.
Of course, these writers don't do that, because it would require actual creativity. It's so much easier to push your agenda by grafting onto a legacy character with its built-in fan base, and to hell with what the character's original creator would have wanted. share
Or was it merely the case that it was commonplace in their culture, they were raised to regard it as normal, and this led many people to engage in sexual practices they would not have had their cultural mores been different, and their society not actively promoted and encouraged those practices?
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. If it's more acceptable more people will do it. But they have to have the innate desire to find it pleasurable in the first place.
Actually, I posted a thread already criticizing Velma's character as blackface. That's exactly what it is. They took a white character and made her skin dark. I agree with you on that part.
https://moviechat.org/tt14153790/Velma/63c778ba0d57fd613b5fe0fc/This-is-tantamount-to-blackface
But sexuality is different as you could never tell from looking at her who she sleeps with.
Obviously in ancient Greece homosexuality was more acceptable so they were more open about it. 100 years ago in the U.S. there were "sodomy" laws and you could be thrown in jail for it.
More people will do it of it's acceptable. More people will suppress it or keep it a secret if it's unacceptable.
The 20% figure is correct. Fools were just afraid to tell pollsters about it.
Do you really think teenage boys lie and say they're gay? They're just more open about it. share
Preach.
shareYes, you hit the nail on the head. If it's more acceptable more people will do it. But they have to have the innate desire to find it pleasurable in the first place.
To some extent. And to some extent, there is also going along with the herd. Doing what's cool and trendy. Remember, this is the same generation that, thanks to peer pressure, eats Tide pods.
And the same pollster you get this 20+% from says people are greatly overestimating the number of people in the population who are gay, and you simply dismiss that without consideration.
Yeah, that's called "cherrypicking."
I think Bill Maher actually hit the nail on the head when he said in a recent monologue on his show "if we can't admit that in some enclaves, there is a certain level of trendiness to the idea of being anything other than straight, then this is not a serious, science-based discussion; it's a blow being struck in the culture wars, using children as cannon fodder."
He's right, and this is precisely why you see far more Gen Zers identifying as gay or trans in strongly liberal regions of the country. Some of them no doubt simply feel freer to identify openly in such surroundings, but the numbers are too great, and it is far to facile to accept that as the only explanation. Some of them are under the effects of something called social contagion. Young people are impressionable, and very vulnerable to peer pressure, to going along with the latest cool trend in society, as well as to being rebellious to the boring old squares who are their parents. Forty years ago, it was smoking. Twenty years ago, it was getting tattoos and piercings. Today, it's coming out as LGBT. share
I'm gay/bi so I'm trying to explain this to you and how it works.
When I was a kid you hid your same-sex attraction because homosexuality was hated and scorned. Many of us wouldn't even admit it to ourselves. We've all heard of gays and lesbians who marry the opposite sex in their 20's, have children, and then "realize" they're homosexual 20 years later.
When I was 18 if I was asked confidentially by a pollster about my sexuality, I would have lied and said I was heterosexual. That's how ingrained was the fear of exposure.
Really, I just laugh when I hear fools say 20% of Gen Z people are lying about their sexual attraction.
They're at the age where people are dating and having the most sex. I have teens in my extended family. The straight boys especially are still very leery of being thought of as gay.
This age group knows what homosexuality and bisexuality are. You act like they think LGB+ is a bunch of letters.
Yes, in my middle-aged group 20% of people are gay but are afraid to say it, so the general consensus from Gallup that 1 in 5 are gay or bi is accurate. Folks have always known this from practical real life knowledge. And Gen Z is now confirming what my generation was afraid to admit even to themselves.
Sexual attraction (old fashioned LUST!) is not "trendy" like tattoos and nose rings!
Really, I just laugh when I hear fools say 20% of Gen Z people are lying about their sexual attraction.
Why? You don't speak for everyone. You don't even speak for the gay community. You speak for yourself and that's it. It is not as if you have any basis for that statement other than your own preference. You certainly haven't conducted any kind of scientific research to back that up, and you've cherrypicked your evidence among the studies that are out there.
This age group knows what homosexuality and bisexuality are. You act like they think LGB+ is a bunch of letters.
Well, if people are inclined to think that way, I'd say you can thank the LGBT activists for that. Yesterday we were being told that people were "born this way" and couldn't help who they were attracted to. Now it's how you "identify" and even that can change from day to day, and people are "fluid."
Sorry, you can't have it both ways. But the effort to try to do just that certainly makes the movement look less honest, and more opportunistic and manipulative.
Sexual attraction (old fashioned LUST!) is not "trendy" like tattoos and nose rings!
Lust isn't. How people express it most certainly can be. share
Why? You don't speak for everyone. You don't even speak for the gay community. You speak for yourself and that's it. It is not as if you have any basis for that statement other than your own preference. You certainly haven't conducted any kind of scientific research to back that up, and you've cherrypicked your evidence among the studies that are out there.
Who do you speak for? I base my statements on two Gallup polls, scientific evidence. You posted the Gallup poll which says most people say over 20% of the population is LGBT. I posted a Gallup poll which says over 20% of Gen Z say they are LGBT. We both know that many middle-aged people are closeted. It sounds to me like 20% of all people, all ages, are LGBT. Not rocket science.
Well, if people are inclined to think that way, I'd say you can thank the LGBT activists for that. Yesterday we were being told that people were "born this way" and couldn't help who they were attracted to. Now it's how you "identify" and even that can change from day to day, and people are "fluid."
I've never believed in "born that way". I believe sexual preference develops slowly through childhood. But yes, the LGBT establishment still believes in "born that way". I fight with those fools on that issue all the time.
And you're confusing sexual orientation with gender. Most gays, lesbians and bisexual identify as their birth sex. We are not trans. I don't even really believe the 'T' belongs with the 'LGB'. So yes, children are confused about gender identity now. But that's a different issue, and I think you and I agree on that. share
Who do you speak for? I base my statements on two Gallup polls, scientific evidence. You posted the Gallup poll which says most people say over 20% of the population is LGBT. I posted a Gallup poll which says over 20% of Gen Z say they are LGBT.
One of the ways people lie is by posting half truths. Like here. I posted a link to a Gallup poll that says most people say wrongly that over 20% of the population is LGBT, that most people overestimate the size of the LGBT population to reach that 20+% number.
Kind of funny how you leave that out. But as I said, you cherrypick and leave out any facts which don't fit your argument.
I've never believed in "born that way".
I do. While I think social condition can gradually bend a person's willingness to engage in some activities one way or the other, in the absence of that societal pressure I think a person's natural orientation will find its way to the surface. There was never a moment in my life when I chose to be attracted to girls. It just happened. When you're a little boy, girls are icky, and then you get a little older and you start noticing they look pretty damn good. And there has never been a single moment in my life when I looked at another man and felt the kind of attraction I experience upon seeing a beautiful woman, and this isn't a conscious choice, it's an innate preference.
And you're confusing sexual orientation with gender.
No. Remember, I said you can thank the LGBT activists, not gay people. The activists are deliberately conflating these issues, in order to graft onto the advances made in gay rights. But in doing so, they are undermining the argument those earlier gay rights advocates made that people's sexual orientation is an innate and immutable trait that they can't help. share
WELL SAID.
shareBecause she was and always has been... until they made her gay:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velma_Dinkley#Love_interests
Oh they went full SJW BS with this show, from what I heard. It reads like a filthy, angry, man-hating adult cartoon. It even has a shower scene with naked teenage girls (with suds covering the private parts), Shaggy's a black drug dealer, Daphne is a bitch that sells drugs to raise money, and exchanges a kiss with Velma at one point, there are sex jokes galore, and Fred is a complete dimwit who can't even cut his own meat at meals because he's had it done for him his whole life. There's no dog, but rumor has it Shaggy has a girlfriend who's black named "Scoobi." Don't you just love it when a cartoon pisses off both sides of the aisle?
Makes you wonder why anyone would be stupid enough to fund this vanity fanfiction project for Mindy Kaling.
Velma being a lesbian was already done in a direct to VOD movie from last year. Besides, Velma liking women has been a long-running joke in the fandom for decades, to the point where the 2002 movie and the Mystery Incorporated cartoon attempted to go that direction.
shareVelma being a lesbian was already done in a direct to VOD movie from last year.
That doesn't make anything better, it just shows they're reinforcing their Rainbow Reich agendas with every new piece of media they produce so people can ignorantly say, "See, this (new piece of media) shows that this character was turned gay, so it's okay!" share
I mean, as I said, Velma liking girls had been a running fandom joke for a very long time, right up there with the jokes about Shaggy being a stoner.
shareVelma liking girls had been a running fandom joke for a very long time,
There is a running joke about EVERYTHING in EVERY fandom. Doesn't mean every kind of degenerate joke in the fandom needs to be made canon or broadcast to the mainstream. share
Ok, I’ll bite. Why is it degenerate for Velma to like girls?
shareBecause...
No. 1: It's hetero-conversion. She's been hetero for decades:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velma_Dinkley#Love_interests
No. 2: They're changing the identity of a character to promote a lifestyle choice that is rife with domestic abuse:
• https://archive.is/gqkN8
• https://ncadv.org/blog/posts/domestic-violence-and-the-lgbtq-community
No. 3: Force-feeding two classic hetero characters into a degenerate life not only doesn't make sense, but is only designed to feed into the coomer mindset that has become overwhelmed by today's over-abundance of pornography:
● https://sundial.csun.edu/168783/print-editions/this-generation-loves-porn-how-is-it-affecting-their-perception-of-intimacy/
● https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/red-alert-politics/easy-access-porn-measurably-bad-effect-millennial-men
● https://fightthenewdrug.org/millennials-and-gen-z-are-the-most-bored-generations-ever-is-online-porn-making-it-worse/
No. 4: Following up on no.3, the only reason people like it is because they've become so over-indulgent in porn they want to see it broadcast in every kind of media form, which is the only reason they're okay with it, since it is literally a net-negative in every other aspect, including physical health, productivity, and even mental health:
● https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1874216/
● https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2530417
● https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2009.177329