she gave her a necklace that says MOO. I know that Joanna used to call her that in HS, and its Marni's initials. But MOO seems more like cow instead. Conversation on bathroom??? "We Are The Champions" and her evil smile that screams out, "I'm the champion here, bitch!" c'mon!
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I was thinking the same thing during those parts. I don't think she changed until after her fiance broke it off with her. Put things in perspective for her.
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It's reall easy to fall back into old habits and whatnot. As old as my sisters are, I still fall back into treated them like I did over ten years ago.
shareI second that! I am a different person than I used to be, but when you put me around people from my past I find that I act different. Not so much that I am my old self, but that you can see who I was.
Sometimes certain people or places can bring up old memories or feelings and you can't help but become who you were.
This is not a good excuse for continuing of bullying and lying.
Not to mention that the bully claims to have already changed and was just hoping to pretend like it never happened.
Unfortunately poor writing later shows the bully doing little things here and there that make us realize that she was lying.
she never changed. and even if she did have some miraculous and spontaneous change of heart during her carbiside in front of the fridge, she is still a liar.
I hated the ending. It made me angry.
I'm sitting here watching the movie now and was just wondering the same things. But I think another poster must be right in that it's temporarily losing Will that snaps her out of it.
During the rehearsal dinner, when she's talking to Mona, is she talking about how she treated Marni or being engaged to Tim?
To be honest, Joanna was (rightfully) trying to let it go and move past high school, but Marni wasn't having any of that, and (rightfully) wanted her apology. When she didn't get it, Marni started pushing Joanna over and over again, essentially becoming the bully and tormentor she so despised (a fact that Joanna backhandedly told her when she called her use of the time capsule tape "genius"). When Joanna had enough, she started lashing back at Marni, reverting to her old ways. This might not have happened if Marni had acted like an adult instead of a butthurt kid.
Marni was so wrapped up in her desire for an apology and was so focused on the past that she failed to see what was going on in the present. She was blind to the fact that Joanna had genuinely and legitimately changed for the better and was a good person. Had she been completely farcical as a person, her true colors would have shown when she was away from Marni and her family. However, she was shown to be scared, apologetic, and vulnerable, a far cry from her Queen Bitch of the Universe persona in high school.
In this movie, Marni was the villain, a Well Intentioned Extremist, perhaps, but the villain nonetheless. I think that was the point of the movie, to show that when you fight against something, you risk becoming the thing you fight.
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There's a big difference between letting things go (accepting it, making amends where needed, asking forgiveness and then moving on) and purposefully burying issues and pretending things haven't happened. If you take the chicken way out, you can't say you've changed. Yes, it's much better than continuing to be a bully but you're still not a good person if someone says "you hurt me, I want an apology" and you decide that retaliation's a better way to handle it.
It takes a lot of humility and maturity to apologise after such a long period of time but those are qualities I'd want in a person I was going to marry. Ignoring the issue is taking the easy way out. Continuing to dig at Marnie? Pure bitch behaviour.
You shouldn't even have to remind a former bully to apologize and insist so much on it. You looked like a fool by doing that and thus, giving your former bully power; basically you'll letting them know that they're still so important and still affect your life.
Also, a forced apologize will never be a sincere one since the bully never reached out to you and apologized on their own free will.
To be honest, Joanna was (rightfully) trying to let it go and move past high school, but Marni wasn't having any of that, and (rightfully) wanted her apology. When she didn't get it, Marni started pushing Joanna over and over again, essentially becoming the bully and tormentor she so despised (a fact that Joanna backhandedly told her when she called her use of the time capsule tape "genius"). When Joanna had enough, she started lashing back at Marni, reverting to her old ways. This might not have happened if Marni had acted like an adult instead of a butthurt kid.
Marni was so wrapped up in her desire for an apology and was so focused on the past that she failed to see what was going on in the present. She was blind to the fact that Joanna had genuinely and legitimately changed for the better and was a good person. Had she been completely farcical as a person, her true colors would have shown when she was away from Marni and her family. However, she was shown to be scared, apologetic, and vulnerable, a far cry from her Queen Bitch of the Universe persona in high school.
In this movie, Marni was the villain, a Well Intentioned Extremist, perhaps, but the villain nonetheless. I think that was the point of the movie, to show that when you fight against something, you risk becoming the thing you fight.
Joanna also didn't make Marni feel like part of the wedding party. All of the other bridesmaids were also former bullies. As other have said there was nothing sincere about Joanna so Marni felt she was protecting her brother from the bitch she knew Joanna to be.
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I agree. Marni even went up to her and said "All I want is an apology, and I won't say anything". That could have been her moment to have a heart to heart but instead she didn't.
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If this movie is purports that joanna really has changed from HS, then the necklace was the one mistake in this movie. Its the only one joanna went out of her way to be a bitch for; she would of had to first order the necklace and then when it was ready (days later for sure,) still give her that necklace. All of the other bitchiness was a reaction to marnie approaching her, and a spur of the moment that can be explained by a purely defensive re-action. the necklace was pure spite and inconsistent with the ending.
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