Beyond Ridiculous


http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/15/asia/japan-wwii-anniversary/

Seriously. **** China. This is bull****. They are becoming as arrogant and vile as the Japanese were when they launched their war on the peoples of Asia. They are no better than the barbaric animals that ravaged their nation so long ago. It is a far different Japan today. Seldom few people in Japan today had any active part in the atrocities committed in China, and elsewhere. This 'new apology' crap is not helpful to anybody. You know what you get when you refuse to make amends with former wartime enemies? You get the ****ing Nazis! If you push a defeated enemy too far with asinine demands like this, they will rise up and destroy. Take a lesson from the mistakes of the Western Allies after the Great War.

When the Union defeated the Confederates, after a long and brutal conflict, they made peace. They granted full and blanket amnesty on the simple promise of an end to armed resistance. They treated the former rebels as countrymen. A token of respect, from Americans to Americans. After a tenuous period, and a LOT of good feelings and hard work on both sides, America emerged from its disastrous civil war stronger, freer, and more united than anybody ever thought possible, destined to become a leading figure in the course of history.

America fought savage conflicts against the Germans and Japanese during the second world war. After the war was over, and the guiltiest among our enemies were rightfully punished, the western allies helped the Germans and the Japanese to rise from the ashes. Through friendship, forgiveness and understanding, we have helped those nations and those peoples to become some of the most prosperous and influential nations on Earth. You don't see us demanding some bull**** apology from people who had nothing to do with the crimes of those regimes.

This 'apology' bull**** is nothing more than aggressive, arrogant, militaristic ***holes trying to appear tough and 'in control' for the sheepish hoards they lord over. The Chinese government is dangerous, and getting more so every day. They are aggressively spreading beyond their borders. They are arrogantly expanding their military sphere of influence without cause, reason, or justification. They are EXACTLY like Japan after the Meiji restoration. We all know how that ended. With atomic bombs, vaporized cities, and a people, and a culture, completely shattered by a war they started. THAT is the end game for China if it persists in this doctrine of hatred and self aggrandizement.

**** China. You are only proving yourself a small and barbaric people with this complete lack of humility, forgiveness and humanity. The Japanese people have MORE than made amends for the sins of their fathers (and grandfathers). No further apology is necessary. Better peoples than you have tried to conquer the world out of arrogance and a belief in self-supremacy, and they met their fitting ends at the hands of decent free people.

The war is ****ing over. The guilty have been punished. Those that had a hand in it have long since perished. Nobody owes you jack ****.

reply

@herbsuperb

This 'apology' bull**** is nothing more than aggressive, arrogant, militaristic ***holes trying to appear tough and 'in control' for the sheepish hoards they lord over. The Chinese government is dangerous, and getting more so every day.

I'm confused. The article to which you linked is about Japan not apologizing for WWII, not China.


"Don't get chumpatized!" - The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters (2007)

reply

I'm confused. The article to which you linked is about Japan not apologizing for WWII, not China.


Swing and a miss.

reply

Your article mentioned China, South Korea, and North Korea, yet you only focused on China, cursing and degrading its people. Your words, from a third party's view, appear hateful, and more hate cannot be used to alleviate hate.

Regardless, I agree that Japan cannot keep apologizing for the actions of their ancestors. It shows an unwillingness from all countries involved to let go of grudges and move forward, hopefully together.

However, in lieu of apologies, education for future generations is needed. There has always been the textbook controversy where the ministry approves textbooks for use in schools that downplays the atrocities they committed. The ministry continues to approve these books, implying an unwillingness to acknowledge what had been done, learn from it, teach future generations, and prevent it in the future.

Of course, I'm trying not to stereotype the entire Japanese people and am talking only about certain people in the Japanese government only. Ienaga Saburo is a great man for trying to tell the truth as it is, and I greatly respect him. Moreover, when I visited Japan, I found the people to be kind, polite, and helpful.

If you'd like to learn more, here are some links-

More info on the textbooks
http://www.gwu.edu/~memory/issues/textbooks/

More info on Mr. Saburo
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/08/obituaries/08IENA.html

reply

Regardless, I agree that Japan cannot keep apologizing for the actions of their ancestors. It shows an unwillingness from all countries involved to let go of grudges and move forward, hopefully together.


Countries have been more than willing to do that. The problem is that Japan's ruling class is intent on burying or sanitizing its historical crimes, while at the same time systematically breaking down the postwar order that prevents it from committing those crimes again. This naturally sets off alarm bells in countries that have been victimized by Japanese imperialism before and are still threatened by it today. Japan's current government is an extremely right-wing and aggressive government that's engaging in threatening behavior toward its neighbors while at the same time sanitizing and even celebrating Japan's fascist past. This is a serious issue.

The issue isn't just about what happened decades ago, and it isn't about "the Japanese people" as a whole. It's about the Japanese ruling class, its political and business elite, that maintain the same basic system that brought about the war and atrocities of the 1930s and 40s to begin with. History isn't just a series of isolated and unrelated events and coincidences, but a constantly unfolding process with various patterns and undercurrents. No one is blaming "the Japanese people" as a whole and for all time to come (there are plenty of progressive Japanese fighting back against the right-wingers and trying to keep Japan a peaceful country), but the Japanese political and economic system that has existed as a basic continuity since Japan's transition from feudalism to capitalism in the late 1800s.

reply

The fact that this movie is banned in Japan speaks to that to some extent.

reply

[deleted]