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catholics vs. convicts


pretty entertaining, funny.




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Nah it was pretty wack. Actually Lou Holtz was much dirtier than Jimmy Johnson. They did legit beat Miami that year however. That team was not a big underdog and hot lots of talent.

http://youtu.be/2-_unC-g_rY

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It wasn't what I was expecting.

First, it was focused on ND (by design, though the promos hadn't made that clear to me), and it also largely focused on the single 1988 game (with some background of what had transpired in previous years). Then, there was all the stuff involving "Walshy" and the other T-shirt folks, which took too much time and wasn't nearly as interesting as the filmmaker thought. I mean, explaining the origin of the "Catholics vs Convicts" was necessary, but I think there was too much time devoted to it.

I suppose I had expected a more even take looking at the rivalry throughout the years they played (up to 1990), and how important the rivalry was for ND to regain some credibility on the football field.

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yep. more on the field stuff would have been better.


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Here's what stuck out to me:

If Miami relished in cultivating an image as bad boy rebel outlaw types, how was it "hate speech" to call them "convicts" on the t-shirt?

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facts aren't hate speech: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19950519&slug=2121866

and that was written by dan le batard, who was in the doco moaning about how calling the 'canes criminals was wrong or something. 



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Here's the ironic part of this article:

Penn State, undefeated last year, represents the other extreme. Only three players on last year's roster had ever been arrested.


Little did they know....

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First, it was focused on ND (by design, though the promos hadn't made that clear to me), and it also largely focused on the single 1988 game (with some background of what had transpired in previous years). Then, there was all the stuff involving "Walshy" and the other T-shirt folks, which took too much time and wasn't nearly as interesting as the filmmaker thought. I mean, explaining the origin of the "Catholics vs Convicts" was necessary, but I think there was too much time devoted to it.

I suppose I had expected a more even take looking at the rivalry throughout the years they played (up to 1990), and how important the rivalry was for ND to regain some credibility on the football field.


Yeah, it was too ND centered, and too much on Pat Walsh and their friends. It should have been more of what was on the field, the reasons that the rivalry stopped, and what happened in the years after (for example, it seems to me that the Irish went on a slow decline in the years after the ND-Miami rivalry was discontinued). 2012 was their first shot at a National Title since 1993.

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 Agreed!

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*beep* Notre Dame...and I'm a Catholic.

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I remember at the time of the game Lou Holtz saying that he was sure that the people wearing the "Catholics vs Convicts" shirts were not Notre Dame students. I like Lou Holtz and he comes across as a stand up guy but sometimes he says things that just makes me roll my eyes.

Here's what stuck out to me:

If Miami relished in cultivating an image as bad boy rebel outlaw types, how was it "hate speech" to call them "convicts" on the t-shirt?

When I watched The U the former Hurricane football players just came across as middle and upper class kids putting on an act of being from the mean streets.

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