Why this story failed


Because Sam lake didnt write it. I'm sure there was a reason, but they sacrificed the continuity of story telling. People can say whatever they want but in my opinion this story was exceptionally less intelligent than the first two. It lacked the unique atmosphere, wit, and nuances of the first two without a doubt. This was comparable to the dime a dozen, cliche, American action films. A huge disappointment in story, which is so depressing considering the gameplay is the best it's ever been and was a real treat to play.

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Why your comment fails to account the brilliance of Max Payne 3:

You do realize they consulted with Sam Lake and the rest of the team at Remedy during development of Max Payne 3 right? Also, Sam collaborated with Dan Houser and the rest of the Max Payne 3 writing team for the 3 issue comic, which gives background to Max's life as well as what happened in the aftermath of MP2 and in before MP3. Not to mention, Remedy has stated that the Max Payne 3 is brilliant, and Sam understands the context of the narrative that Rockstar was achieving, and has achieved.

My argument is short and simple: People like you fail to understand the story and how it is placed in the context of the series. Sure it's a lot different, but this is a man that has been dealing with grief his whole life. The fallout from MP2 would be hard, and so Rockstar was aiming to achieve that. How can someone sink so low after all that has happened to him? He becomes an alcoholic, addicted to Pain killers, can't get past it all. Plus, as that happens to him, he is aging and realizing he just really living in hell. 8 years past, and events are set in motion in what will happen in MP3. Someone who "claims" to be from his past needs his help, and realizing he isnt worth a damn, he is reluctant to say yes but becomes convinced to help, ergo the events of MP3.

You dont understand the mindset of Max Payne. He has aged, grown bitter, and grown more weary and narcisstic to care about life or the people in it. He is once again put into a bad situation that he needs to dig himself out of, which is why he goes to find Fabiana, and when he does and she dies, he goes after the big picture. It resonates with the first game where he goes after the Lupino and the Punchenello crime family, providing a service to NYC in getting rid of the criminal organization by waging a vendetta in finding his wife's killers. It's the same story in Mp3, only this time theres no personal vendetta attached. It's social justice, and just him trying to make things right and also getting the hell out of there. The story is brilliant in mimicking the first game, just with a different setting, different characters, and a different mindset that Max is in. That's the brilliance of Max Payne 3.

It's a noire tale,that employs all the same motifs that the first two games did. Except that this game sets out how the years havent been kind to Max. He no longer shares the same wit, the same sharp and on the spot mindset he once had. As Sam Lake in an interview perfectly described it: Max has become a punching bag, just being repeated knocked down and he is just not giving a sh!t. He is too addicted to alcohol and pills to care. But he starts to sober up, and realizes the threat is real, and starts to fight back. That's the mindset he is put in. That's where we see the Max from MP1 and Mp2 when Vlad kills Mona, "the rise of the old familiar feeling".

You may say whatever you want about this game, but I believe you are truly wrong about your view on it, and anyone who thinks that way is wrong imo. It is a perfect addition to the series, and one of the best games of this generation. I only talked about the amazing story, the gameplay was a whole new level of amazing. But anyways, people like you just clearly dont understand the brilliance of the story that Rockstar has made, and probably never will. Sure, it would have been nice to see what Remedy would have done but it's been clear for a very LONG time that they were done with the series. I surely, as a long time fan of the series, was not done with the series and wanted more. And I am glad that Max Payne 3 was made. You should try knocking down the movie instead, which truly failed in context to the narrative.

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Hey dude this game was horrible just horrible so get out of here

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loool nope you're just too buthurt to accept that it was great. And I dont need to get out of anywhere, I have as much right as anyone to post whatever I desire. And I truly believe, as the masses agree, this game was amazing. Period.

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Wow people are still discussing this over-rated game? In the end, people accept people feel differently.

MaxPaynefan187, anytime anyone insults this game, you come and tell them what to feel. We get it, you loved the game AMONG many others, but some just didnt feel the story was a "Masterpiece."

My problem was where does this fit?

1 = revenge
2 = Love story, completing one
3 = Illegal organ traffic...

Really? In the end, Im glad people enjoyed the game. Heck, I know people who think Mario is boring or hates Zelda or cant stand survivor horror or hate RE how the series went (After 4)

A lot of RE fans love 4...but hate it, AND RE4 AND LATER RES have had fantastic ratings.

I know people who felt FF7, as great as it was, ruined the oldschool rpg gamer.

Again I just named some insanely classic games, MORE CLASSIC honestly than the entire Max Payne series, and there are people who hated those games.

Just accept in the end, some people just didnt enjoy the game. It doesnt make them "butthurt."

Also, according to the masses...NSync made great music, Justin Bieber is a fantastic artist and Drake is a great rapper. So dont go with the masses. Go on your own merits.

For people who liked this game, cool. I accept that. Now can you guys who LIKED the game accept some of us didnt?

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I dont understand your need to attack my response again when all I was doing was addressing his response. Are we really going to have another argument over this? I accept and acknowledge people dont like it, just like anything else in society. I get people didnt like Rocsktar developing the game, and changing some of the context of the games. Where most fans feel Rockstar took it a bit too far to deviate from the series, I believe they not only improved it, but captured the true essence of the game in a modern fashion. I am not going to have this debate with you again, as we have already had it before. You dont have to tell me that many people have different opinions on the game, and I could care less about your view on the game even though you already told me. You or anyone else will never convince me this game is in any way shape or form bad just like I will never convince you or any naysayer that it is a great max payne game. So we arrive at a stalemate. I am just reminding most naysayers about this: It was not only critically recieved well,but also, eventually, sold well for Rockstar. Enough to warrant a sequel? Dont think so, but one could dream. I think Rockstar did an amazing job with the game, and no matter what Ill always think that, whether anyone things otherwise.

And FYI, just cause people have different opinions of the game doesnt mean I have to agree with their opinion or agree to diagree for the sake of saving arguments or internet discussions.

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You're too much of a fanboy to accept this game is not Max Payne. See how that works?

I've been an absolute fan of the series. Went through both 1&2 countless, countless times. Max Payne 3? Twice, and really struggling to finish it the second time. NONE, and I repeat, NONE of what made Max Payne 1&2 classics is present in this game. It tries, tries hard to be gritty, but fails miserably. The very thing that DRIVES Max through 1&2 - deep, dark grief - is nothing but a small touch here, gets lost in the midst of a RIDICULOUSLY lousy, unnecessary, uninteresting story. There's no meat. No depth. No layers. Nothing of what made the previous ones gripping. A level in New York, which is just a ridiculously overloaded shooting range, didn't even bring the much needed nostalgia feeling.

Granted - the execution is absolutely masterful. But what the hell is execution without the beauty of Lake's writing, character detail and depth? Nothing. If this execution, this mechanic was returned to New York, with the original grittiness and depth - I'd be standing up and applauding. But this? Don't fool yourself, it's not Max Payne.

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To you and other non believers like ones above it may not be, but to me Max Payne 3 is a true max payne game. It may be different, but it definetly captures the spirit of the original games. Sam's writing in particular may not be there, and Id say is one of Max Payne 3's weaknesses, but to me the game captures a more contemporary, grounded, and older Max Payne story. You dont have to like it though and I can respect that, and I do respect that you at least acknowledge Rockstar's execution of the game. I wish more people could see what I see in the game, but to each their own.

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Wow people are still discussing this over-rated game? In the end, people accept people feel differently.

MaxPaynefan187, anytime anyone insults this game, you come and tell them what to feel. We get it, you loved the game AMONG many others, but some just didnt feel the story was a "Masterpiece."

My problem was where does this fit?

1 = revenge
2 = Love story, completing one
3 = Illegal organ traffic...

Really? In the end, Im glad people enjoyed the game. Heck, I know people who think Mario is boring or hates Zelda or cant stand survivor horror or hate RE how the series went (After 4)

A lot of RE fans love 4...but hate it, AND RE4 AND LATER RES have had fantastic ratings.

I know people who felt FF7, as great as it was, ruined the oldschool rpg gamer.

Again I just named some insanely classic games, MORE CLASSIC honestly than the entire Max Payne series, and there are people who hated those games.

Just accept in the end, some people just didnt enjoy the game. It doesnt make them "butthurt."

Also, according to the masses...NSync made great music, Justin Bieber is a fantastic artist and Drake is a great rapper. So dont go with the masses. Go on your own merits.

For people who liked this game, cool. I accept that. Now can you guys who LIKED the game accept some of us didnt?



For a guy who wants to make absolutely clear he is entitled to his damn opinion, you sound angry. I think the real question is: Are you sure people ENJOYING this and other games doesn't make you mad?

Just admit it. I for example hate Die Hard 4. I can't understand people who think is the best in the series.

Anyway, I loved this game.

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Great? Whats great about cutscenes every 2 minutes and Max being a retard that constantly throws away his weapons or decides to barge in enemy room without even raising his weapon. If the story wasnt such a clusterfk of horrible writing and they didnt sacrifice gameplay for "cinematic" feel it may have been a very enjoyable game. The core gameplay was great, it was ruined by trying to turn this into a *beep* movie.

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Uhm...every Max Payne game feels like a movie. The original developers at Remedy had that intention in mind when they were making the original games, that you playing a hard-boild action thriller movies. That's where they developed things like bullet-time and shootdodge, mimicking hard-boiled detective movies like in John Woo films. The story was developed in mind to be like film noir movies from the 40's and 50's. So I don't get all this hate on Max Payne 3 on feeling cinematic. Max Payne has always been a series that has relied on cinematic influence. Max Payne 3 is no different, and the cinematic influence is elevated and used in a great way.

Max Payne 3 is a great game. The cutscenes for me never broke immersion, and there not even that long. People like you just don't have patience and probably are so attached to playing COD, where story and plot is as thin as your opinion.

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I wont repeat myself as we have been over the rest, but its funny you mention COD, a series that are often praised for populiarizing cinematic gaming over gameplay in videogames. If you want cinematic experience to be popular then you should be thankful for COD, not rag on it.

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COD Is the same game every time. No innovation whatsover. AND COD was not the first game to have cinematic gameplay, so I don't get why I should thank them. You make no sense when you say that. Clearly you're a COD fan since you keep having this level of respect for them. It's irrelevant. The point I am trying to make is that all this hate leveled at Max Payne 3 is non-existant and it's invalid. Max Payne as a whole has always been about a game that was filled with cinematic influenced and the way you played it reflected that. So Max Payne 3 took it up a notch and it gets all this hate for no reason.

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