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Double Standards Are Alive and Well!


Had this film been about men traveling to another country to exploit the locals, it would have been condemned. But because it features women taking advantage of men, it's celebrated.

Apparently, women engaging in behaviour that has been deemed unacceptable for men is fine. Just don't try it if you were unlucky enough to be born a bloke, even if you're just being true to your nature.

We're truly living in the Bizarro World.

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You must not have seen this film. The actions of the Austrian women depicted in this film are deplorable. They are racists, exploitative and cruel. The movie hardly excuses their behavior. The festival audience I saw the film with was horrified. This is a profoundly unsettling movie.

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Thank you for sharing your reaction to the movie. You are right, I did not see the film. I came here in response to several news stories I read regarding the acclaim being heaped on this movie by film festival audiences and critics, heralding it as some kind of 'breakthrough' for women. Personally, I always thought women were more civilized than men and see no reason to applaud them for behaving in the same uncouth, loutish manner as some men do. But the very fact this movie was made speaks volumes. In our modern, politically-correct world, is there any chance a movie like this would be made if the main characters were men? Not a chance.

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Maybe you should wait to see the movie and find out how the issues are being presented before you get on your high horse then.

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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I have to agree with this. I'm live-translating it to Baltic Pearl film festival in Latvia, and I'm disgusted a little bit of it. I had nothing to enjoy in this film - plot is simple, dialogues are nonexistent, full with exaggeration of everyday racism, exploits and stupidity. I don't care, that these women are "old and fat, and with hanging breasts", it's just the whole thing. I find it being vulgar for the kick of it and I found hardly anything worthy here. But viewers tend to like it here - people are laughing when something utterly stupid is depicted, etc.

But I wouldn't say that this is a profoundly unsettling movie. I'd say it's just vulgar, cheap and stupid. First time I saw it I was kind of sorry for the abused and was offended a little bit. And overall after-taste I got after translating it live for 2 times - like watching a horrible amateur vacation film that is stuffed with fails and facepalms.

Still, I gave it a 5/10 for some jokes, good old misanthropy and some shots of Kenya.

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I find it being vulgar for the kick of it


I think you have profoundly misunderstood the intentions of the film maker.

viewers tend to like it here - people are laughing when something utterly stupid is depicted, etc.


There are different types of laughter. Sometimes it is an expression of utter embarrassment.

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That is what the film is aboutObese Women represent the [overly fed, overly wealthy, overly materialistic] West and how the West exploits enslaves rapes Africa

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I see it totally different - I think it shows that women can be just as bad as man when they buy prostitutes. I think one of the great things about the story is that the main character, Theresa, is shown slightly more sympathetic than their austrian friends, who already have the "Kenya experience". You see that she is not happy, kind of lonesome and looks for a romantic adventure. But when she learns the rules of the game, she becomes mean and demanding.

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Somehow it is just as bad as men or worse or better or just conflicting. The women are not treating it like what it is, a business transaction, getting the money sorted out at the beginning (except for the gay dancer). So the rent boys invite a confusing barter by bringing the women into their real lives in false pretenses to get the money.

So is it sex, is it attention, is it a boyfriend experience? Not clarified in the beginning and the woman is all over the place, but not really present for any of it, which to me was the most unsettling to watch. Just seemed more base and soulless when all this was going on and no one was present or into it. As I said elsewhere, it wasn't kinetic, sensual, or lustful, so why do it?

Reminded me of something I saw in Frankfurt one morning at about 5 am, some middle aged and fat man, all clean cut and proper, probably out all night, trying to pick up two underaged prostitutes from a doorway, a boy and a girl, who were both so drugged, they didn't have souls and their eyes looked like animals in the zoo. Everyone was just shells and spent. Then a street cleaner started hosing down the street so businesses could open for breakfast.

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One time I lived near a brothel and looked up for fun what they wrote about it in the internet. Turned out there are relatively huge forums for regular brothel goers who share their experiences in the houses. What you read there, is often kind of depressing like that movie, for example a lot of guys complain that the women are bored or that they don't get enough for the money in their opinion. In these reports, you can also question if its really worth the effort.

But with the movie, I think some of the Austrian women come off as being very horny. Some seem to know exactly what is going on with their "lovers".
True - not especially the main character. Teresa seems to be there the first time. I perceived her as a woman who is very unhappy. She is somehow cornered in her life and does not really know what to do about it. I think its clear she seeks out for some romance, which seems to work out at first. She reacts very emotional towards Munga when she learns about all that sweet little lies the men are somehow obliged to do. The rest may be a mixture of that she do not know what to do else there than to hook up with more men, but also react to the first bad experiences by being bossy.

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I remember seeing a movie very similar to this called Heading South, except the commentary in that film seemed to be that the women were using the men for sex/attention while the men were using the women to earn a living.

Even if the genders were reversed I gather the motivations would still be the same.

Don't try to cash in love, that check will always bounce.

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All the women want is sex, all the men want is money and will make up any fictional scenario to get it. African beach spots are all full of these women with more money than sense - especially The Gambia.

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