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Why is Woody Allen the new target for the woke mob?

posted 3 years ago by kukuxu (5409)
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If something, Woody Allen would be a classic liberal, I mean, what liberal used to mean from 60s to 90s. He doesn't fit the usual profile, like republican Gina Carano. So this is an interesting topic: WHY?

My personal theory is that he's extremely independent. He had no problem moving around and shooting in different countries in Europe, and he didn't give a shit about politics in a moment that Hollywood requires their members to declare out loud that they're loyal to the cause.

This independence is something that wokes are not gonna allow or forgive. Netflix, Amazon, Disney and HBO have all of them a very clear woke agenda. From a woke point of view, Woody Allen is probably considered a traitor. And this fakumentary is probably part of his "punishment".

Discuss.

[–] Adam60z (3749) 3 years ago

Because they're evil liars.

[–] brux (14666) 3 years ago

I think you are off-track here. Woody has said rather flippantly that he should be the poster boy for the #MeToo movement because every woman he works with has never had a problem with him, and he gives women ... i.e. even Mia, great parts that are good for their careers.

I think the mystery is why so many in Hollywood are willing to throw Woody under the bus after he has been helpful to them. It is hard to explain without conjuring up some conspiracy or anti-Semitic trope.

You are tossing around this term woke as if it has some actual meaning, or is a clearly defined thing. I'm skeptical.

As to politics the only data point I could think of on that is that Woody And Soon-Yi contributed some large amount to Hillary Clinton's campaign which they said she returned. So, unless Woody was a secret Republicans trying to sink Hillary's clueless campaign by association to him, sounds like he is a Democrat.

[–] kukuxu (5409) 3 years ago

I think you are off-track here. Woody has said rather flippantly that he should be the poster boy for the #MeToo movement because every woman he works with has never had a problem with him

This the article includes that quote.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/sep/06/woody-allen-defends-me-too-movement-a-rainy-day-in-new-york
“I’ve worked with hundreds of actresses, not one of them has ever complained about me; not a single complaint. I’ve employed women in the top capacity for years and we’ve always paid them the equal of men. I’ve done everything the MeToo movement would love to achieve.”

What I see there is a lot of sarcasm. Imagine you're a woke a somebody tells you "You know that glorious cause you say you're trying so hard to achieve? I already achieved it decades ago, mate".

You are tossing around this term woke as if it has some actual meaning, or is a clearly defined thing.

The meaning is clear. By "woke" I mean the mainstream trend in modern left. It has been called "SJW" or "cultural Marxism" too. It's basically a blend of white-guilt, the so-called "diversity" (only in white countries, of course) and 4th wave feminism.

As to politics the only data point I could think of on that is that Woody And Soon-Yi contributed some large amount to Hillary Clinton's campaign which they said she returned.

That was to be expected. In general, Hillary Clinton was highly considered among traditional liberals since she has been often considered as Bill Clinton v2.0, and Bill Clinton was a traditional liberal. The first woke in the White House was Obama.

I find more interesting the fact that she returned it.

[–] brux (14666) 3 years ago

Woke meaning is not clear. It is not something in common use except by people who want to avoid talking about reality and political issues and just want to evade by using terms to insult, anger or ridicule. That is the main currency of the Right these days ... and one does not even have to say Far Right, because the whole Right has been "triggered" ( there is another work used to emotionalize discussion ) by the dishonest rhetoric.

The "woke" stuff is the Right's latest insult to the Left. By using all these terms and only referring to the extreme Left, probably most of the stories are set ups they are just ways of attack democracy. You cannot attack a whole group of people by the extremes of a few, but that is what the Right does with the Left. Meanwhile as we can all see the mainstream Right is extreme. What is being reported or taking up space in people's brains though is the Right's claims about the Left.

SJW or cultural Marxism is just same as they used to attack people who supported Democracy and fairness in the Civil Rights movements or the Gender Equality movement. The idea of reducing this down to the White experience and labeling it white guilt is dishonest.

[–] kukuxu (5409) 3 years ago

Woke meaning is not clear.

I just defined it.

It is not something in common use

As long as the term is clearly defined, I don't see why that's a problem.

except by people who want to avoid talking about reality and political issues and just want to evade

That's a bold and (indeed) quite insulting statement.

by using terms to insult, anger or ridicule

If you think the term is insulting, I don't have any problem using a reasonable non-insulting alternative. What you can't do is to label the term as insulting and non-usable without providing a reasonable alternative. That's as much as declaring that concept taboo.

insult, anger or ridicule. That is the main currency of the Right these days

That's another bold and insulting statement. I'm sorry, but you can't just label a clearly defined term for which you provide no alternative as "insulting"... and then make such a statement.

By using all these terms and only referring to the extreme Left

I'm not talking about extreme Left. I'm talking about mainstream modern left.

probably most of the stories are set ups they are just ways of attack democracy

Beg you pardon??????

You cannot attack a whole group of people by the extremes of a few, but that is what the Right does with the Left.

Wokeness is not "extremes" or a "few". They're the mainstream ideology in modern left. They have the media, they have Hollywood, and they hold the power.

And actually this fakumentary is a prime example of it. Woody Allen is textbook classic honest liberal, he's what the left used to be. And right now you have the media turning on him. He's not part of the mainstream left with a few extremists attacking him, he's part of the few with the mainstream left attacking him. Wokes are not the extreme, they're the new mainstream left.

[–] brux (14666) 3 years ago

If you cannot think of another term to use, perhaps you are unaware of exactly what connotation you are trying to communicate, which is exactly my point. You are overloading two different points with a pejorative term.

[–] Nicko's Nose (1651) 3 years ago

You won’t find a post by this user without the term "woke".

[–] kukuxu (5409) 3 years ago

Here you have the three main threads in the "God is not dead" movie subforum. Now tell me how many comments you find without the world 'Christian'

https://moviechat.org/tt2741216/God-is-Not-Dead/58c826322214d80b5c0307c1/Inflammatory
https://moviechat.org/tt2741216/God-is-Not-Dead/58c826322214d80b5c0307d2/But-his-message-board-is
https://moviechat.org/tt2741216/God-is-Not-Dead/58c826322214d80b5c030790/For-a-moment-I-thought-this-movie-was-serious

If people use repeatedly the word 'Christian' when they talk about Christian movies (which is logical), what's strange in using the term 'woke' when talking about woke movies or documentaries.

[–] kukuxu (5409) 3 years ago

If you cannot think of another term to use, perhaps you are unaware of exactly what connotation you are trying to communicate

Why should I think of another term to use when I have one? So you can't use the term "table" unless you have another term to say "table"? How that makes any sense?

Terms represent concepts. I won't argue about terms provided they're clearly defined, but that's it.

[–] brux (14666) 3 years ago

I didn't say you HAVE to do anything. What I said trying to be nice, if you really need me to explain it to you again, or you just want to argue all day, is that if you cannot think of another way to express yourself that is not argumentative or offensive then you don't realize that the most important thing to you is being argumentative or offensive.

The term woke is actually defined in dictionary.com as "aware of the facts, true situation, etc. (sometimes used facetiously):", but it is so often used facetiously, or sarcastically, or insultingly that using it is a sign or inarticulateness.

[–] Stratego (29239) 3 years ago

"if you cannot think of another way to express yourself that is not argumentative or offensive then you don't realize that the most important thing to you is being argumentative or offensive."

Now that's grand coming from you!!!🤣🤣🤣

[–] sut6432 (2832) 3 years ago

It makes me laugh when people say they don’t know what “woke” is. You know fully well what it is at this point, and so does everyone else.

It’s supposed to mean “socially enlightened”, but in reality it’s overly offended extremists who find racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. in every facet of life, and can’t help but bitch about it with every breath they can muster, and resort to fascism, attempting to ban and censor art they disagree with...then act like it’s everyone else’s problem when people push back against their nonsense.

Also, if the term offends you, or you state you don’t understand it or it’s “not clear”, then I’m guessing you are probably what the term represents.

[–] Satan2016 (23310) 3 years ago

The Social Justice lefties call themselves Warriors and they appropriated "Woke" from BLM. Critics use their terms but in a derogatory way. How can you be so dense?

[–] kukuxu (5409) 3 years ago

Let me play devil's advocate. Wokes in general oppose aggressively being labeled as "wokes". One person can be stupid, but there's no way everyone in a community is stupid. So it's not that they're dense, it's a different problem.

In general, wokes see themselves as "progressive" or "liberal", so labels as "woke" or "sjw" are considered to either identify extremists, or they consider that they're used as an insult.

The key element in this conflict is this question: what you call "progressive"?. Wokes in general consider themselves as a natural evolution and continuation of traditional progressives, so they use that label. I highly disagree. There's key differences: for example, classic liberals were heavily meritocratic, while wokes consider that meritocracy is an element of evil white oppression.

From my point of view, the label "progressive" applied to modern left is misleading, since it doesn't stablish properly a difference between classic left and modern left. It's better to have a new label. For the sake of precise communication, every concept should have its own proper term. Personally, I don't like the "cultural marxist" label since I don't think there's any relation between wokeness and Marxism. I think "woke" is a valid term to describe modern left. I wouldn't mind to use a different one if this one is considered to be insulting, but it needs to be a proper term which is not misleading.

[–] johnmiller (3340) 3 years ago

A mob is a mob is a mob. Left or right, it doesn't matter. They're all borderline sociopathic with their pathological obsessions.

[–] TheArgentinian (6429) 3 years ago

Being against pedophiles makes you woke now? Very telling of conservatives reactionaries.

[–] kukuxu (5409) 3 years ago

Before making accusations of pedophilia, I would like you to prove that you're not a pedophile. I think that's a bare minimum. I don't know whether you're a pedophile or not, so before going further, please provide some proof first that you're not.

[–] Sandman81 (1501) 3 years ago

Yes, why is he the NEW target. He should have been a target of theirs for over 30 years.

[–] Satan2016 (23310) 3 years ago

For 30 years the MSM has just repeated Allen's Fake Defense. Farrow decided now is the time to tell Mia's and Dylan's story. The MSM is shifting to her side because of investigative journalism. You People are obviously not watching the series or even reading the many reviews.

What's most puzzling is lefties like Brux and Keelai defending Allen by digging up old news. Who is publicly defending Allen over the last two weeks? I checked some conservative sites, they don't defend pedos. Just seems to be youtoob nobodies.

[–] kukuxu (5409) 3 years ago

You People are obviously not watching the series or even reading the many reviews.

I haven't seen the documentary, that's true, but I've read before about every side, and I know Mia's allegations and arguments. The documentary is not discovering the wheel. Everything that could be said about this case has already been said before.

I checked some conservative sites, they don't defend pedos. Just seems to be youtoob nobodies.

Probably, but be aware that right now there's two different groups under the label "right": the traditional conservatives and the western nationalists. In general, mainstream media labels western nationalists as "right" or "far-right", which btw I think it's not correct.

Let's remember that Milo Yiannopoulos was taken down by an alliance of wokes and traditional conservatives, and in US the "never Trumpers" were mostly traditional conservatives. I wouldn't be surprised if traditional conservatives turned against Woody Allen too.