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Spoiler concept that seems obvious to me

posted 13 years ago by nick-1036
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Spoiler:

Daniel set up the original kidnapping because he has the hots for his sister who is about to get married so he takes the wrong turn. This is confirmed later when he rapes her again. She knows he loves (lusts) her so that's why she doesn't say anything other than asking him to get psychological help.

Weird movie, I guess the twist is, it may be a real kidnapping for porno but highly doubtful, since they appeared to be letting him make love to his sister as opposed to doing nasty porn for the camera, it was almost as if the camera didn't matter.

[–] Eponymous-too 13 years ago

I disagree. I posted this in another thread on this board:

It doesn't take anything sinister on the brother's part to explain why the kidnappers knew who they were and why they were at a place after a missed turn. They are obviously looking to produce real incest videos, which require identifying real siblings. They then follow those siblings until they have an opportunity to effect the kidnapping. Presumably, what they can sell the tape for more than makes up for the cost and trouble they had to go through.

The later rape confirms nothing other than he was seriously messed up by the first event and not being able to get the same psychological help that his sister did led to the second event.

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[–] dianaintherain 13 years ago

I agree with you regarding the later rape. I think he was more traumatized than his sister, especially because he feels guilty for what happened. After all, he took the wrong turn and he was the one that technically facilitated the sex. The forced sexual intercourse would not have occurred if he had not become aroused and subsequently entered his sister.

I think his sister is also better able to cope because she has something to look forward to: she is getting married soon and starting a new life. Plus she has the love and support of her fiance, while Daniel doesn't seem to have anyone he could truly rely on. I don't think his parents are an option and his friend and girlfriend don't seem mature enough to help him cope with the trauma. The bond Daniel has with his girlfriend is not as close or as strong as the bond Ana has with her fiance. In fact, Ana seems to be his closest friend and now their relationship has taken a turn for the worse and she's leaving him to go to Spain.

[–] slipcat555 13 years ago

Very interesting interpretation. It also explains why the kidnappers were not that scary and didn't use violence.

The only problem is that Daniel searches the internet to see if he can find any trace of the video. If he paid the guys to set up the whole thing, keeping the video surely would have been part of the deal. He wouldn't have to look for it on the web.

[–] Stevarooni 13 years ago

That's actually a very good point. If he were actually involved, he wouldn't have to search for the video.

As well, though, I think that Daniel was just as disturbed by the whole kidnapping as Ana. They just dealt with it in different ways. She took it as a violation, and backed away from it completely while still trying to help her little brother. He, on the other hand, tries to make sense of it all, to fit it within his worldview...or more accurately, bend his worldview to fit some fairly random events. He reasons that he must have been the one to make the fateful decision (to turn the wrong way), and therefore must subconsciously want his sister, sexually.

[–] onesweetmonkey 13 years ago

I just finished this movie tonight and my feelings are this:

The brother is clearly not involved with the kidnapping or it would have been more in the plot. It is as described a kidnapping for pornography reasons. If the kidnappers do this on a regular basis then they already know they won't need much force or violence to persuade the victims to do as told or else. Obviously I believe more people would sway towards sex with family who wouldn't hurt them vs being raped by a stranger any way they see fit and then murdered. Lesser of two evils so to speak. Plus it was simply a case of wrong place wrong time, the kidnappers may not have known they were siblings but that could of been a bonus for them after they found out. They were obviously going to do something with them either way had they been related or not.

Also my theory on the rape the brother does afterward is due to his trauma (obviously). They never said but I got the impression he was a virgin due to the beginning he is with his girlfriend making out only. Plus his sister bluntly asks him and he never answers. So being traumatized as his first sexual experience his sister arouses him and then he gets off during. So he is facing big issues with this and may only feel that his sister is his only way to achieve arousal again. Even later he goes and visits his girlfriend and tries to choke her out during their kissing instead of any other sexual "normal" behaviors. Then he simply leaves. He was seriously effected by what happened. He is associating sex or being turned on with his sister and/or violence.

That's my opinion.

[–] clark1-1 13 years ago

It's just a plot device....

[–] akrisluvskev 13 years ago

Wow i've never seen so many ppl wrong about a plot. Rape is not about being sexually turned on. He rapes his sister out of anger and yea he's messed up. She seems to have gotten herself together in his eyes, he's still in pain, the rape was a manifestation of that pain and probably the filling that she left him to deal with it alone. He's seeing her move on without him he's scared, confused and in pain and he's angry at her for moving on.

[–] Writ_in_Water 13 years ago

And don't forget that this happens right after the wedding rehearsal party. As you said, he's angry at his sister for moving on w/ her life and for leaving him alone in his agony (her upcoming marriage is an "official" breaking of the bond that he had once had w/ her). In what's left of his mind, he reasons that, if the first rape almost broke off her engagement, then a second one would finish it off for good. Unfortunately (or not), he just manages to drive her farther away, to Spain.

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[–] kyleclay 12 years ago

Ohhhhhh very good........yes this explains it for me. Thinking back on this scene after your explanation clarifies this plainly. Excellent!

[–] tyciol 11 years ago

>Rape is not about being sexually turned on.

Where do you get that idea? It certainly can be about that. It can be about a lot of things.

>Rape is not about sexual pleasure, but about control.

Oy, what a load. You don't get to define what rape is, doctors.

>he was the one that technically facilitated the sex. The forced sexual intercourse would not have occurred if he had not become aroused and subsequently entered his sister.

That is sexist victim-blaming. You're utterly ignored how she was persenting herself, fondling him, kissing him, etc. She was an active participant.