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The obsession with Battle Royale


I have to say that I am not sure what Suzanne Collins got the inspiration for The Hunger Games series and I do not care. One story inspires another story and so on. This was proven in court a few times in regards to songs, George Harrison proved it but did not win the court case and if she got inspiration from Battle Royale then great. It just shows that Battle Royale was such an excellent story.

It might be interesting to know that before Battle Royale there were other books in literature about similar dystopian futures such as The House of Stairs by Barbara Vine where five teenagers were put in this house that was made up of stairs so that scientist would study their behavior and they beat up on each other and were cruel. Or, Goldings "Lord of the Flies" where it is not a future but modern day that talks about a group on young boys without proper role models or supervision and the savagery of human nature, or is it.

The whole point to a lot of these stories is so that we can prevent them from happening. Both movies involved a dystopic future where children were used for the "entertainment" of adults or more specifically, adults who call the shots, a totalitarianism government society or for some other reason that crushes individuality, questioning, and focuses on how to make people conform without question. Kind of like most religions. It shows that totalitarianism will never work because humans have a natural desire to be free and that a society can have rules and laws, but that things change over time and rules that applies long ago do not apply now. It shows the resentment and anger at rules that were place upon them without any consent, representation, nothing. It is about the importance of knowing that not any one society or form of government is not without it's faults but can work so long as things can be balanced and as equal as possible. It allows for individual achievement as well as the common good and what happens when due to some incident that we never really quite know in some stories is the result of something that happened much like in Lois Lowrey's "The Giver."

It shows that every thing starts with an idea and it grows to the point that people have finally had enough. How it all happens is unique in every story but he premiss is usually the same. Both movies are good examinations of this but are two totally different stories and they make us all question what we would do in the same situation and is a cautionary tale to not allow a government to get too big. Now for a portion of Americans who blame Obama, I would like to remind them that the Patriot Act started a lot of this *beep* and now one cannot even joke with a friend without being arrested or we cannot really speak free because someone will take offense and threaten us with having the police kick down our door for thinking that they are being threatened which is a crock if you ask me. The US is an alarmist country and leaders make laws that are both too broad and too narrow with the hopes that a few individuals will have enough sense to sort it out.

Just enjoy the story and forget about who inspired who. Frankly, it is great that any one can be inspired these days.

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My suspicion is that the BR trolls have a financial interest in Battle Royale and hope to guilt Hunger Game fans into watching it. It's also why they keep fantasizing about a lawsuit that might win BR (and its investors) some money. JUst as speculation of mine that might explain their behaviour.


I read a historical anecdote that's refreshing after all the BR stuff. Somebody told Goethe that Sir Walter Scott had stolen one of his ideas. Goethe replied "Yes, and he made excellent use of it".


is a cautionary tale to not allow a government to get too big.
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I would say, rather, a cautionary tale to not allow a government to get too unaccountable.

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Well, that is just the thing. Ideas do not belong to just one person or one group and they can be designed in anyway that a person would want it to be. There are a lot of movies that seem redundant at times and they may not be he same story or even similar universes and situations but it is all about the idea of control, totalitarianism and other things that I would hope would concern people enough to not succumb to that and take actions they need. Not a violent one I would hope but be concerned enough to get involved in their community, government, world. It is up to the people how they want to be ruled and only until then can something change. That is what was wrong with Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt and all the rest. When people get tired of it, then they will take action. Ideas do not belong to just anyone, they belong to everyone.

I can't believe the BR people are trying to sue Suzanne Collins. They may NOT win because someone had ideas about that concept long before the BR people did. George Orwell, Upton Sinclair, William Golding, John Christopher, and many more.

The very definition of Dystopia is defined as a society characterized by a focus on negative societies such as mass poverty, public mistrust, police state, squalor, suffering, or oppression, that society has most often brought upon itself and extrapolate elements of contemporary society and are read by many as political warnings. And, usually a hero or group of heroes arises to stop the injustices within that society and tear it down and build another society based on balance laws, fairness and freedom. There has never been a totalitarian society that has always been without at least one uprising, actually there have been several and the US had a big hand in some by forcing it's will on other countries like Iran. It may take a long time, but something will come back to haunt an intruder and it usually is for the wrong reasons.

I really wish people would focus on the message instead of fight about whose idea came first. Obviously, there are people who do not care to ever read a book and probably have never read one in their lives. I had an ex boyfriend that only read one book and it was about a druggie, wow real enlightened guy right?

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Because the trolls keep saying so, though I think it's a figment of their imaginations.

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I have never heard of any lawsuit between BR and HG, I'm guessing the trolls keep trolling because people keep feeding. I don't think it is anything to do with lawsuits or trying to get more money for BR. I think for most BR fans it's a lot simpler; they feel that Battle Royale is a relatively original story (not all elements but the set up and how it is done) and that Hunger Games was very, very similar but done in a seemingly PG-13 way. Also that it is being hailed a great piece of modern cinema and story telling, yet isn't all that original or boundary pushing. I think if Suzanne Collins had admitted to being inspired by Battle Royale, people wouldn't have minded so much but because she made out that she hadn't heard of it at all, BR fans are annoyed.

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Well we don't live in a fantasy dimension, so that will never happen.

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No, you live deep in your own madness. You literally spend all your life on this forum defending a liar. What a sad creature ...

Hollywood is run by small-minded people who like chopping the legs off creative people T.Gilliam

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Ah Marausha, I could never compete with your fanasy world. I know when someone has gone so much further than I, and your one is just too wierd for me to compete with. My world has simply too real compared to your sureal. I bow to you, oh champion of the Fantasy Worlds.

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Cry me a river 😀

Hollywood is run by small-minded people who like chopping the legs off creative people T.Gilliam

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But you already have one.

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Yeah, made by you the last time we met around here

Hollywood is run by small-minded people who like chopping the legs off creative people T.Gilliam

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Really, and here I am standing on the bank waving at you. Wishing you the best in tackling the rapids. Watch out for the waterfall.

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Watch out for the waterfall.


I didn't want you to cry that hard ...


Hollywood is run by small-minded people who like chopping the legs off creative people T.Gilliam

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Didn't shed a tear, your worries and your own personal river are very safe. Like I said I can't compete with you.

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Hollywood is run by small-minded people who like chopping the legs off creative people T.Gilliam

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There was a good example of this several years ago. ABC took their new hit 'COMMANDER IN CHIEF" away from its creative staff and turned it over to an executive named Bochko, who turned it into a basket case that didn't last the season. This was the last of ABC's impressive series of hits (LOST, DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES, GRAY'S ANATOMY,...) and shows what happens when the small-minded people defeat the creative ones.

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Agreed. Just as small-minded ppl destroyed any chance of this series ever becoming a classic just becuase they were so concerned with profits that they added an unnecessary film before the 3rd movie. splitting it into unneeded parts. Looks like they isolated a large portion of the fanbase in doing so.

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So far, I think, hmmm, semi-kind of plagiarism is really lucrative in the entertainment business. Borrow, rewrite a few things, get casting right, proceed with marketing and you have yourself a potential revenue-profiting mega-hit on the table.

Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat.....its so simple.

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I thought the concept of The Hunger Games was very original and clever (haven't read a word that Suzanne Collins has written). Loved Elizabeth Bank's character and costumes. My problem with the movie is that after the very exciting beginning, the movie devolves into a BATTLE ROYALE clone. I finished the movie and I will continue to watch all the sequels as they are released, but I was a little bit disappointed in the movie as a whole. Almost forgot: loved Stanley Tucci's homage to his counterpart in BATTLE ROYALE!

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(haven't read a word that Suzanne Collins has written)

Well, there's your problem.

Formerly Briongloid, member since 2004

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(Well, there's your problem.)

Especially if you read BATTLE ROYALE beforehand.

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There were a ton of fans having real discussions about BR2 before the spamming. They are all on twitter or whatever. It's easy to have real conversations when it's like that, so unfortunately, the real fans stay quiet or are driven away. I too wish IMDB would do something, because it's not just people having different opinions. It's people purposely trying cover up Collins plagiarism. It's quite easy to tell the difference between the two.

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If Collinz used either the manga or novel of battle royale rather than the film adaptation then some of the points made would be void.

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Oh honey, you would not believe some of the responses on the board by other posts who are going on about it. I mean, I do not understand what is so hard to believe that two movies or stories can have the same or similar theme but different reasoning when it comes to dystopian fiction. I had one person ask me to name one title but before, she quoted me and I distinctly said similar and not same, but I thought whomever it is was trying to be cute and smart ass about it. And, then told me that I could not pick from the following and listed a bunch of movies and authors and there were not hardly any dystopian themed.

So, I explained it to her that dystopian literature was first introduced in Gulliver's Travels. and then went on to explain that I could not give any specific movie or book that has the "same" plot and such before Rattle Royale was written. I felt like a literature teacher because I explained what dystopia is and given that there have been stories that involved kids, and even named a few, that could have caused two people from different regions who do not know each other to have a similar idea. It is the same theme but different reasoning and reasons society became that way. I even talked about the slasher films that seem to follow the same plot, then I gave her a huge list of dystopian literature.

May, some people can be completely short sighted, small minded and stupid. My entire 8th grade year we read mostly dystopian stories as required reading. I think these are people were born five years before 9/11 or those that were born after because there were a lot of cuts in education to fund the war we didn't want and also to make GW smarter. Or, maybe they just went to a bad school. Who knows. There are original plots to similar themed stories and in a way that is original. I was wanting to write a sequel to Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaids Tale" or in that universe, but them some things happened.

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There are original plots to similar themed stories and in a way that is original. I was wanting to write a sequel to Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaids Tale"
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Are you implying that "Handmaid's Tale" is original? It isn't. Way back in the 1940s, leading science-fiction writer Robert Heilein wrote a novella called "If This Goes On". It's about a theological dictatorship that has taken over the United States. It has a first-person narrator who is a servant to one of the heads of government. Part of the plot has to do with a case of sexual harassment disguised as a religious ritual. All elements imitated 30 years later by Margaret Atwood.

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No. I just thought it would have been cool to write not so much a squeal but another story in the same universe.

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Then we have to say takami koushun is guilty too because he copied it from Stephen King in The Running Man and The Long Walk. I think many elements of both were from many of the books you mentioned. It is so nice to speak with someone who actually reads because I think it is becoming a lost art. Think about it, The Running Man had prisoners go fight in gladiator style scenarios with armed opponents, Battle Royale just took a class of kids, put them on an Island with maps, weapons and food and made them kill each other for entertainment and it blew up in the government's face, the Hunger Games had the North America split in 13 districts where one was "killed off" and had one boy and one girl chosen to be tributes, had them go, train, make friends, get sponsors then let them out to hunt each other for entertainment, punishment and "hope" and that blew up more in Catching Fire.

Actually, one of the first dystopian stories was in the late 1800s but I forget the name. What I really wish we would discuss and talk about are the statements made by these stories and what it says about our world, our society/government and ourselves. Nice talking with you dude. Did you read Battle Royale? It was much bloodier than Hunger Games. Not sure when it was released here in the US, the movie came out first, never saw it but heard it was real good though. The sub title translations I hear were excellent, it is hard to really translate Japanese characters to English words sometimes. The ideas and concepts are not copyrighted, so it is not plagerism. If you want to say that you think they were too similar I really don't care, but I find it funny how people who do not understand some elements of the law, national and international, will say things that they may not fully understand. It would be like putting new words to the tune of "Happy Birthday" Actually, I think Michael Jackson owns the rights to it.

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Despite the fact that The Hunger Games is probably the weakest film in The Hunger Games's absolutely brilliant filmography, this means that due to Battle Royale 2's ridiculously brilliant high standards, this is still head and shoulders head of other ripoffs of martial arts films.

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Is that it? I have to say, it is funny to see how you people really do obsess over this film. But, I do have to say that just about all of you really did give me some very valuable data for an experiment I am doing for my dissertation. This is going to be great stuff.

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Look, in the end, a lot of movies are inspired by other movies. I mean, seriously.....I can make a huge list of movies inspired by others. Video games too. With no GTA you woulda never had so many games that basically did what they did. With no Mario, youd never have the platformers you do today. With no Wolfenstein 3d and Doom, youd never have FPS...so I guess everyone needs to sue everyone?

Man....

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Only positive with the movie Hunger Games is that it killed off the plans of making an US version of Battle Royale.

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