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Collins apologists can only use insults, diversion, etc to defend her


It really says a lot about the Collins apologists crowd when their most consistent tactic in making their attacks is to start attacking people.

Here are some of the common insults/tactics they use:

1. Calling people "trolls" and "sock puppets."

2. Dismissing their points offhand with condescension or patronization, telling people they don't know anything, copping a stance of intellectual superiority, etc., playing Grammar Nazi, etc.

3. Using a lot of diversion. Dragging in movies like Gladiator into the discussion that had absolutely NOTHING to do with Hunger Games or Battle Royale or even anything else, for that matter. Or ranting that Battle Royale itself was a ripoff.

4. Shifting their arguments again and again and again. Arguing that she couldn't have heard of Battle Royale, ever, and that she came up with the story herself, but then also arguing at the same time that "there's nothing new under the sun" and that "all authors have their influences." Or saying that she couldn't have heard of Battle Royale because the novel was never published here, but then when you argue that the manga was published here, claiming that it was only read by a small fanatical weabboo fanbase or not widely distributed in stores.

To those who've been trying to make the case that Collins most likely ripped off Battle Royale, don't worry about it when these people start foaming at the mouth with insults or diversions or whatever. All it does is just prove our case. Collins apologists can't defend the indefensible, so their next best thing are insults, flaming, attacks, diversion, etc. It's all they've got, sadly. 

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more words to say nothing coherent or meaningful. still the same bull. you're repeating yourself.

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She always does. AG has one main line of attack, to say that we are attacking her by pointing out that she isn't posting facts, just ill-informed opinion.

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I've read her points. she has proven nothing

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more words to say nothing coherent or meaningful. still the same bull. you're repeating yourself.
Wow. You just demonstrated all of OP's points in one sentence. Good job.

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on these boards I have been called many fowl names. sometimes by the OP. I don't care. what I do care about is the OP's slander of Collins and others. her arguments have been proven false numerous times on these boards. in many case what she prints makes no sense. this thread is another such.

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But didn't Collins herself slander Takami Kousun when she said she got the whole idea of Battle Royale from such places as old Greek myths, reality television, footage of the Iraq war, and certain random Steven King short stories?

Its sad to see plagiarism being supported by so many people... ---This, to me, is the real moral to the story of The Hunger Games.

I refuse to pay for these movies due to plagiarism, but...

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if she says those sources was her inspiration, then that is the truth. you have absolutely no reason to doubt her. and don't forget Battle Royale was created by the Romans so it is not new.

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Well after much anticipation I went to this movie and it was so deja vu. Why was it so deja vu is because it is the ultimate copy and paste job I ever seen I swear plagiarism could easily be made between this movie and the original movie

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I've watched both. The only similarity is kids killing kids. otherwise they are two totally different stories.

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you know that the cast (originally) weren't white. the US made them white. the original Battle Royale was made with dubbed over scenes of fights where the characters are japanese in school uniforms, and the rest of the show was completely rewritten to feature white AMERICAN actors in jumpsuits. that's why in the first hungers games series, there's no scene where there's a mix of costumed/uncostumed tributes, and no scene that has the bad guys next to uncostumed tributes.

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BR2 is strictly for men; as such, it accommodates male viewers. HG is for women and thus accommodates female readers. Understand how that works? Women's copies don't have to cater to male preferences, sorry. You sound like one of those male soap opera viewers whining about the show not being a lesbian porn fest. As a man, your opinion is irrelevant.

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I never did see Battle Royale, Im just pointing out some similarities to Hunger Games and Lord Of The Flies.

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'Most likely'? At last we are making progress! In every other post you have been stating it as a proven fact.

Good to see that you are finally getting your head around the notion that just because it was POSSIBLE for Collins to have seen or read BR it doesn't follow that she actually DID so.

The rest of your post shows that you still have a long way to go towards making a reasoned argument. Keep working at it.

For instance , I haven't seen a single post that has said Collins COULDN'T have heard of BR. Misquoting people and then attacking the thing they didn't actually say is a favourite tool of Rupert Murdoch's wind-up toy journalists. Don't expect to be taken seriously if you are going to follow their lead.

You say (again) that the manga was published here, but where is you evidence that it was read by more than 'a small fanatical weabboo fanbase'? Some sales figures might be convincing. Do you have any?

Movies like Gladiator and Spartacus inevitably come into the debate, as any movie or book that has people fighting to the death in an arena is going to invite comparison with the Roman Games, and books and movies inspired by them. Or are you going to insist that the author of BR had never heard of the Roman Games? Or Gladiator? Or Spartacus? He may have modelled the structure of the competition on pro-wrestling's Battles Royale, but they don't use weapons or kill each other. So don't pretend that he wasn't partly inspired by the original Games.

Trying to prove that somebody has read or seen a book or a movie, or read a detailed précis of either, is always going to be a stretch. The best you can really do is show a strong probability, by listing a significant number of plot points they have in common. I have seen only one such list so far (which relates only to the movies), which I am going to check when I get the BR movie. You haven't even come close to managing that.


BTW your grammar and spelling are better than most posts on this or any board. I haven't seen anyone criticise them.

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That's very true, AG does use pretty good grammar. It drives me crazy when I post something with spelling errors, I appreciate that in other people.

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Does “The Hunger Games” contain in it, somewhere, the darkness of “Battle Royale”? Probably not (although Jennifer Lawrence’s breakout film, “The Devil You Know,” just might). The hopefulness in “The Hunger Games” is what ultimately makes it feel like a product designed for kids by their parents.

It’s typical of parents, really, to try to turn every tragedy into a positive experience. “Battle Royale,” with its existential pessimism, seems truer to the teen-age id. As George Eliot pointed out in “Middlemarch”: “If youth is the season of hope, it is often so only in the sense that our elders are hopeful about us.”

Collins copied Katniss's name from an Thomas Hardy novel, as well.

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