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Why not just set it in occupied Europe?


If you want to explore issues of collaboration and resistance why not set it in France or Poland or any of the other many countries the Nazis ACTUALLY occupied during WWII?


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Because it's based off a book where D-day failed and a German counter-attack was successful.

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Because it's based off a book where D-day failed and a German counter-attack was successful.


Which is a totally implausible premise.

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Is it? I haven't read the book so I wouldn't know. All I know is there is more to this than just that. There has to be or else it wouldn't make sense.

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Is it?


Yes, it is. Someone has an amphibious invasion confused with a land battle. In a land battle if you defeat the invading force you can then advance. In an amphibious invasion if you defeat the invading force you can't advance unless you have the means to launch an amphibious invasion yourself, which the Germans did not have at any point in their history.

For the Germans to have occupied Wales (a) D-day would have had to fail, (b) the Russians would have had to cease their advance, (c) the Germans would have had to produce an invasion force that could cross the English Channel against the opposition of the Royal Navy, and (d) either they would had to do it before August 1945, at which time atom bombs would start raining down on their heads, or the Manhattan Project would have had to fail as well.

There's a huge backstory necessary to a successful German occupation of Wales. The movie doesn't have to explain it, but there should be reflections of it in the events in the movie.

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The only part of know is this. D-day failed and a counter attack was launched successfully. That's it.

I don't know if the Russians ever started to invade Nazi territory, I don't know if the Americans are involved or any other allied nation for that matter, and I don't know if the Atom bomb was being built. I haven't a *beep* clue because all the trailer said was what happened. That's all I get. Sounds like there is more to it. I also figure that just because it happened in our timeline doesn't mean it happened in theirs too. Since D-day failed somehow, god knows what else didn't happen.


However, I do think another poster said it best. This is more of a jumping off point more than anything else. Something to set up the story. The writer probably didn't even bother to research all of WW2 and just used this as a basis to tell a story. In that case, we are all putting a little too much thought into this.

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Still not buying this attitude that the writer and/or filmmaker of "Resistance" can bring up the premise of a German invasion of Great Britain in World War II "after D-Day fails" and no one is supposed to question it.

It seems that "putting a little too much thought into this" is code for "this movie doesn't want you to think".

Which as far as I'm concerned is code for "this movie is not worth seeing".

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055024/

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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Man, I'd really like to see that movie!

As I understand it, the premise is that the Dunkirk evacuation in 1940 fails and the British subsequently surrender. Which historians pretty much agree would have been the most likely point in the war for the Germans to take Great Britain.

Is my understanding of the premise correct, Squeeth?

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Yes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Happened_Here

They even managed to get a [Jagd] Panther! Apparently the fascists in the film were real (and unrepentant) which caused a bit of a stink. It's on dvd hire here so I expect there's a region 1.

Apropos the OP, 'Flame and Citron' and 'Max Manus' are well worth a go.

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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I'm reading the book at the moment. One of the previous posters is correct - the invasion is simply a background to hang the story on. Despite the book been set in an alternate history, it doesn't really seem to be a (increasingly the literary sub-genre of the damned) alternate history novel. It's more about character study, the effects of trauma and landscape on people, and perhaps inevitably with a modern novel there are traces of the War on Terror. References are made to roadside bombs and constantly to insurgents, rather than use terms far, far more commonly used in the period like Mine and Partisan. I really don't see at the point I am now where the author's taking this.
It's a well written book; The author (Owen Shears) has a talent for painting a vivid picture of a place and people without using too much purple prose. He gives a real sense of life in early 20th century rural Wales. I really don't buy his background of the invasion however. This is what I've gleaned so far:
The Russians lost on the Eastern Front.
It mentions the Artic Convoys failed.
Where it gets confusing is that it seems to hint at both a rapid successful Blitzkreig AND a more historical grinding hell on the eastern front.
Hitler personaly took charge of rebuilding the Luftwaffe(!) Despite the implication of German air superiority, two of the six German characters have suffered family losses in the RAF heavy bombing campaign, including the fire bombing in Dresden. (This is late '44 BTW) I think this is give a bit of a 9/11 mindset to the German occupiers as they base themselves in the valley and thoughts of revenge run though their heads. As they've spent the last five years bringing countries under the Nazi yoke while thier airforce invented terror bombing it strikes a false note.
The Battle of the Atlantic is really going the German's way. We're not talking about The Happy Time here; We're talking the Shattering Orgasm Of Super Mega Joy Time. This is the plot device to explain away the lack of US reinforcements making an impact.
D Day: Mulberrys and all DD Tanks lost to bad weather. German agent discovers the Operation Fortitude bluff, and high end formations freed up by the victory in the East are waiting in ambush for the Allies. Why knowing the invasion is not to take place in the Pas De Calais means they know it will be Normandy isn't explained, nor why it takes place at all with the Germans holding ace cards like air superiority.
I don't understand why he made the decision to set it in 1944 instead of 1940 - he could have told almost the same story without the WTF factor. Maybe all will become clear when I finish the book.

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055024/

Has a similar premise.

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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And that Film - It happened here - is so much better.

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