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Why after D-Day failed?


I've constantly amazed at how people believe that if D-Day had failed, Nazis would occupy Britain... It's not the first instance I've seen this bullsh**, either about Britain occupied after it or Europe remaining under Nazi control... as if Reds weren't advancing to Germany, as if Italy wasn't being occupied (or liberated)... There's no possible way Germans would be able to carry ou their own D-Day operation in mid 1944... they were in deep sh** by that moment with other things and it was just a matter of time until they'd be defeated...

Why wouldn't they start the movie with Briatain losing in the Battle of Britain, for example... or, if they wanted it to be closer to the end of war, why not 1943 when, for example, Germans decided to try to invade Britain again as a way of boosting morale after recend defeats in other fronts...

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Yes exactly. Why didn't the screenwriter make the film exactly as you wanted. It's nuts. I mean, with the description of the synopsis they're putting out, it's like they DELIBERATELY haven't told us the entire script or every plot point they may have used. Tsk. What were they thinking?? It's like they expect us to watch the movie and find out all the details or something. Those gits.

Ooooooooor maybe....just maybe.....they explain how D Day failing in their alternate universe leads to the UK being occupied and we just have to wait and see the movie to find it out, as opposed to us making ridiculous "look at how much history they've got wrong!!" comments when we haven't a clue as to what the movie describes yet......what do you reckon...

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There's a more profound question to be asked here: why on Earth Wales?!

If impersonating a Police Officer is an offence, shouldn't actors be imprisoned?

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@ The Proprietor:

There's a more profound question to be asked here: why on Earth Wales?!


Film cost breaks and cheap actors, excepting Michael Sheen obviously, so instantly a usually unwanted remote Welsh village becomes the Germans must-have place to invade.

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>>There's a more profound question to be asked here: why on Earth Wales?!

The movie is based on a book by a Welsh writer. The writer being from Wales may have something to do with it, perhap, but as to why on Earth the writer would want to write about the people in the place he grew up around is anyone's guess. Why not set it in the Antartic.



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If you buy into the larger scenario, coal? Assume that the Germans were stalemated elsewhere in Britain and wanted to restrict the Allies fuel supplies?

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The book is based on how the Germans handled the occupation on the verges of Britain in Wales and Scotland. The English cowards were already conquered.

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In the book Germany has defeated Russia and is handily winning the war in the Atlantic. Britain doesn't stand a chance in this scenario and invasion is inevitable. The concept of the book/film isn't outlandish at all.

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Except that by June 1944, there were literally millions of American and British troops, including most of the allied armor units, in England waiting to deploy to France after the D-Day invasion forces secured the beaches and pushed inland.

the bulk of the American and British Armies that would drive across Western Europe were sitting in England.
As large as the D-Day invasion was, the number of allied troops involved in the invasion was small compared to the number of troops waiting back in England to follow on after the invasion was successful.

Even if they had won on the Eastern Front and pulled their troops West, a German invasion of England would have been impossible.

A more likely scenario would have been if Germany had invaded England early in the war, before the Brits had time to build up and before the Americans had spent years shipping millions of soldiers and tons of tanks and armored vehicles to England.

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Ooooooooor maybe....just maybe.....they explain how D Day failing in their alternate universe leads to the UK being occupied and we just have to wait and see the movie to find it out, as opposed to us making ridiculous "look at how much history they've got wrong!!" comments when we haven't a clue as to what the movie describes yet......what do you reckon...


In the novel the Germans defeat Russia. In the real world if D-Day had not come off the main thing that would have changed is that the Russians would have marched to the sea instead of stopping where they did.

Most people who watch this will probably not be aware of that and so it won't be a problem for them. For me anything where the UK gets invaded by the Germans in 1944 without a convincing development of the means by which Germany got into a position to do that is just a big facepalm.

There are ways that the point could be sold, but the whole war would have had to go very differently.

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READ A BOOK ! Honestly, for once....

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I doubt you see the irony in your condescending response.
The point was that the screenwriters lacked a basic understanding of WW2 history and their premise of a German invasion after a failed D-Day is not only, utterly absurd, but insults the majority of moviegoers who paid attention in school.

Your defense of the screenwriters only shows that your understanding of history is no better than theirs.

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Oh good grief. It's an 'alternate universe' movie. Is it too hard for you to imagine that maybe they have an explanation for why? That maybe in this universe Hitler hadn't invaded Russia and so was able to not only repel the D-Day invasion, but proceed to invade England as well? It's not hard to come up with explanations for it guys. Use your imaginations. If you can accept it's a movie set in an alternate reality I'm kind of wondering how you are both acting so literal about the real history. Makes no sense to me.

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Just reading all the dilema over this. The key is that the husbands "mysteriously" disappear. Also why are the women so eager to just continue on as if nothing has really happened. This may not even be the case of an alternate universe, it may prove to be just the main characters hallucination or even personal death experience fantasy. Who knows until the complete story plays out?

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or the perennial IMDB favorite " If you don't like it, don't watch it" .


That's the option I'm taking.

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Simple: D-Day marks the end of the war in the eyes of many. It's where Allied forces at last begin their push towards Germany. What better symbol for a movie to crush and then turn on it's a** with a German invasion of the British isles?

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D-Day marks the end of the war in the eyes of many. It's where Allied forces at last begin their push towards Germany.


And that perception is wrong. The push toward Germany started in August, 1943, when the Soviet Union took the offensive. With D-Day the US and British forces met the Russians in Germany. Without D-Day they would have met the Russians at the English Channel.

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Yes, I know, I know. But it's still a memorable event, and a symbol in the eyes of many people.

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Gotta love how a movie purposely uses specific historical events as the linchpin of their premise, but then when people point out the flaws of using those events, the response is "why are you so concerned about the specific historical event?"

Because the friggin' MOVIE brings it up!

If you're going to use D-Day, you have to use D-Day. So if D-Day fails, it means hundreds of thousands if not millions of American troops are still stuck in England, because they were coming in huge numbers to England from 1943 until the war ended in 1945. And that doesn't include the large numbers of Canadian troops also staged there, as well as all the British troops staged there, as well as all the aircraft, all the tanks, all the ships...because without all those vast numbers of Allied men and materiel, D-Day would never even have been ATTEMPTED. And if D-Day fails, it means all those men and their equipment would not have made it to the continent, because the only way even most of them could have made it over is if the invasion had been successful for at least a month. And which point huge numbers of American and Canadian troops were still shipping across the Atlantic to follow them. And that's without mentioning that the German Navy was NEVER the equal of the Royal Navy OR the U.S. Navy, and the Germans NEVER had a competent large-scale amphibious assault capability.

And if you think the British were going to launch D-Day on their own, especially in a scenario where Germany has defeated Russia, well, then, you must believe the first person to land on Normandy would have been Merlin on his unicorn.

Sorry to upset all you people whose interest in history goes about as far back as Princess Di's wedding, but setting the movie in POST-D-DAY 1944 is flat-out stupid. I could (MAYBE) buy 1940 or 1941, but mentioning D-Day is just too ignorant of the very history the movie is trying to trade off of.

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Most here are forgetting that the US believed that Hitler was very close to inventing and using an atomic bomb. If that was true and he beat us to it, and he used it on England, they would have surrendered to him immediately, and we might not have been far behind them. So it is very believable that Germany could have won the war and captured England despite being on multiple fronts and losing in Russia.

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Excuse me, nick, but we're talking about this particular film, not any random alternative history concept. Have you even watched the trailer? There is no mention of an atomic bomb detonation (a pretty big thing to skip over), and if as you say Britain would surrender immediately, why does the film talk about a German invasion that is still on-going? The film is not about Britain surrendering, it is about Britain being conquered. Two different things.

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My point was, it's believable that Germany was close to occupying England, and that a lot of people were very afraid they were very close to that at the time. I was responding to the post that implied the Nazis were weak and never close to occupying England, therefore this film is a ridiculous fantasy. I disagree with that and the fear of the German a bomb is part of my opinion. I know it's not a factor in this story, thanks for pointing out the obvious, Captain Obvious.

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Okay. Let me try this. One. More. Time.

Have you even seen the trailor? And the other publicity material? Used to, you know, sell the movie to the public?

It's on this IMDB page. If you want to look at it all and then get back to me.

Take your time. I'm in no hurry.

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Yes, I've seen the trailer, and the only reference to D-day is "After D-day failed".


Which is bringing up D-Day.

At no point does the trailer "bring it up" in the movie; it simply uses that (true life) event to set the time and place in a hypothetical world.


Except for one thing, D-Day did not fail.

By which, I assume you to mean, the film somehow discusses, passes comment on or makes some point about the real life D-day. Unless, of course, you mean that because the film sets its period in context of after the real-life D-day it is now legally, morally or artisitically obliged to be about D-day.


The movie requires not only that the D-Day invasion fail, but that the Germans then stage a successful counterinvasion, something which would not be a likely consequence of D-Day failing.

So the movie, regardless of whether there is any exposition about it, does imply a great deal about D-Day and the subsequent progress of the war in Europe.

However, I must point out that that ideology would also require that any film about gangsters must only reference real gangsters. And any film about stepmothers should only reference real stepmothers. In which case both The Godfather and Snow White are screwed.


Would you buy a gangster movie that had Al Capone getting appointed King of the United States as a direct consequence of his killing Elliott Ness?

Because that's the magnitude of the whopper that this movie asks us to buy.

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Un-be-liev-able.

Did you seriously just type "the only reference to D-Day is 'after D-Day failed.'"? And then suggest the movie has nothing to do with D-Day? I hate to have to belabor the obvious, but in this case the obvious is biting you in the behind and you STILL don't notice. Because if the movie references "after D-Day failed", then THE MOVIE IS BRINGING UP D-DAY.

I don't have a lot of hope that this will get through to you, but the objection has never been about the portrayal of D-Day in the movie. The objection has been about the story's ridiculous concept of what would happen if D-Day had failed in 1944, when it actually happened. Because, you see, THE WHOLE PREMISE OF THE MOVIE IS BASED ON "AFTER D-DAY FAILED". The trailer puts the time of the movie as 1944. When D-Day actually happened. Again, the movie ITSELF makes the connection to the aftermath of D-Day. If it hadn't, if it had simply postulated the general concept of "what would have happened if the Germans had gained enough of an advantage in World War II to carry out an invasion of Great Britain", this conversation would not be happening.

jclarke, you have made excellent points. I admire you for making them without "shouting" like I have. I'm sorry, but after reading nonsense like this, I just can't manage your level of calmness. Let's just say I'm having a Lewis Black moment.

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In other words, in fiction any stupid thing is OK because it's fiction.

When you grow up you'll learn the difference between good fiction and crappy fiction. Until then there's no point in trying to have a conversation with you.


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I've heard of people who are unable to recognize lazy, sloppy, and poorly thought-out examples of historical fiction. But this may be the first time I've heard of anyone EMBRACING lazy, sloppy and poorly thought-out historical fiction.

But I guess the "Get Out of Jail Free" card for any poor storytelling these days is going to be "It's just FANTASY". Make up anything you want, bring up historical events and then mangle them with blissful ignorance. Any objections people might have about the nonsensical abuse of real-life history can be waved off with a magic wand.

Because it's fantasy.

I'll tell you one thing, Chancery. If you think any rational person of any intelligence is going to buy what you're selling, you're living a fantasy right now.

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Yeah, yeah, Chancery, "I know you are but what am I?" Very clever.

The movie you want to see doesn't try to use bad history to "legitimize" itself. It just tells it's story, without mentioning specifics that distract from that story. In fact, the story you want to see doesn't even NEED D-Day, or 1944, or World War II, or Britain. So why even bring them up? Maybe because there's a shaky faith in the core story (or "fantasy", as you want to see it, Chancery)?

All films are a house of cards. The great ones are well-constructed so that no single card in that stack will give way, taking the others with it. That's part of the joy of watching a great film, or even experiencing any great story. But of course, some undiscriminating audiences are so clueless they would never notice a film collapsing in front of them. I just don't happen to want to be that kind of audience like you do, Chancery.

But for the last time, (not for you, Chancery; I already get that this can't penetrate through your thick skull), if the movie and the publicity for it hadn't brought up the "after D-Day failed" nonsense, I would not be on this board discussing it. The movie played that card.

Deal with it.

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Thanks for the heads up, MrMeanGenes.

I don't think I'll even give him the tiny pleasure of a hit on his webpage. He's done.

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It looks like The Last Valley to me. I'm waiting for Vladek Sheybal to turn up and do a bit of sneering.

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For what it's worth... I don't think the point of the novel, or the movie, is 'What if D-Day failed', but 'What if England got invaded by Nazi Germany'. The writer just used D-Day as a jumping off point for England to be invaded, he didn't research every aspect of the war and come to the conclusion that Germany would have won the war if it failed. He's writing about the people being in a certain situation. This isn't alternate history a la Harry Turtledove, more like Dr Who.

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Okay, you're right. Russians would occupy Britain and all of Europe. And once they got Germany's technology they could go around the world.The main problem with Nazi Germany is they didn't have enough resources to mass produce advances like Jet planes,missiles,advanced subs,etc. But with Russia's resources and manpower they could keep going.





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