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General populace turned off by Rubicon's subject matter?


How some of these globalist elites who run or dictate America are actually the real bad guys. Rubicon doesn't really paint a favorable picture of American foreign policy, and how a lot of major crises might've been actually created by the latter clandestine figures in cooperation with other top government officials. I think the average American would rather turn the blind eye to these things, still believing their government stands for good, and wouldn't be interested in a show with subject matters like this.

With the Iran/nuclear weapons talks heating up now, this show would've been an interesting parallel.

I just finished Rubicon's entire season and thoroughly enjoyed it. Wish there were more shows like it.

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As one of many who liked the show, we would be interested in what your "Rubicon" likes/dislikes were. It's mostly to compare notes.

I,too, wish there were more shows like it. But intelligent storytelling doesn't appear to be in the cards for the American populace as many don't seem to want it.

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I don't think there was anything I disliked about the show. But as my post states, I do however think the subject matter of Rubicon might be a turnoff for some people. The show essentially shines a light on how American foreign policy REALLY works, whether you want to believe it or not. And how it REALLY works is not pretty... some might even say it's borderline anti-America.

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Having just watched the series and finished last night, I can only think that the public might not have been crazy about this because it was slow moving, there was no action, or romance and it takes concentration to watch and understand. .... and for what? Watching this show just makes me paranoid and it is a little silly. Why would Will stay in this job? He also seems to have no friends and no life.

I really enjoyed the show ... though was not happy with the way it ended. I did admire how they did not base this around fights, car crashes, sex, etc ... it was a smart show with a lot to say ... it was just a bit slow moving.

When Truxler(?) got the four-leafed clover in the end ... did that mean he was supposed to kill himself? Then that scene where the widow is murdered in Central Park bothered me a lot ... and Will does not even notice the CD or the man who murdered her, and his girlfriend just walks away. Is everyone in the country a spy but us in the audience? ;-)

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Well, over a million people still tuned in to watch the finale. The show was not slow-moving, because to say that you would have to compare it against your typical "monster of the week" type shows, where everything gets finished in one episode. You got your victim before the first commercial break,the twist before second,reveal by third, all ending with a short epilogue to make time for a few commercials before the next show in the lineup.

No action? As in no shootouts or car chases or gigantic transforming robots from a Michael Bay movie? I looked at the lack of such ridiculousness as this show's most valuable characteristic. It kept the show within the confines of reality, with actors looking like real people and not models with too much makeup on that you find in other shows. Also, people were not killed off right away, and were first instructed, then threatened, and only then were they killed and usually by attracting very little attention.

Nothing in this show was implausible. Do go-codes exist? Of course. You can still find plenty of UHF numbers stations all over the world, broadcasting nonsense to everyone but the person with the one-pad. Do places like API exist? Of course, with the Center for Strategic and International Studies doing exactly the same thing as API, namely intelligence analysis. If you look at the board of directors of some of these think tanks, you will find they include CEOs of major corporations, many ultra high net-worth individuals, former generals and top-ranking government executives.

Rubicon showed that you do not need the Illuminati to have a conspiracy, just a bunch of really greedy people.

The main point of the show's conspiracy was the fact that while it may be a bad idea to give access to all of the intelligence data to people willing to use it for financial profit, it is far worse to also be asking them for their opinion of what we should do next. In episode 3, Will got to go on a trip to DC with Spangler, where Spangler gave a speech about how API is like the person who will give you their honest opinion, whether they like you or not. The irony is that not only API did not always tell the truth, but that they were so corrupted that they should have never been asked in the first place.

I would not be surprised if the show got cancelled because it showed how easy it may be for someone to profit financially, if they were to be given all the intelligence data possible. Your average Joe would be able to make a profit, if they knew in advance that a burst pipeline in Russia would reduce natural gas supply. These events did not need to actually be engineered by some secret society, and the show more often than not implied that things were simply allowed to happen, or were steered in the right direction through erroneous intelligence analysis. In fact, Sprangler even explained to his friends that eventually it was out of everyone's hands as no one ever had control over individual people (eg. the American kid with the oil tanker).

All the data API received was no different than getting the financial report of a publicly traded company before everyone else, except that API was able to get their hands on all the reports from all possible sources. Giving a small group of people access to such enormous amount of priceless information may be necessary for national security, but you do not even need to be a cynic to see the potential for financial gain. I guess it is for everyone to decide for themselves whether it is just a coincidence that all real think-tanks have multi-millionaires and the power-elite on their boards of directors.

What do I know, maybe they all made their fortunes with just hard work and determination.

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Will staying was because he lost his family on 911 and working was 1)an escape from thinking about his loss. He's not ready to move on, but that thought did occur to me at times 2) possible way to seek retribution against the war profiteers who did things like this and just may have known about 911 too. And if you don't think 911 was planned and orchestrated by now, but some power other than a man in a cave with a radio, you haven't looked into it very deeply. Remember all the Put options on the airlines that were 1000's of times more volume than normal right before? Pentagon announces missing $2.3 Trillion on 9/10, Sound familiar?
Truth or fiction it's intriguing TV...but I think there is more Truth than fiction.

I think most people just want to sit and vegetate to TV and submit to mind control. I feel like the only person who's not at all interested in Superbowl Commercials, yet it's become like a cult. I can't even watch football anymore...too many commercials and takes 4 hrs to play a 60min game.

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I don't know if the subject matter turned people off- think of all the Jack Ryan/Bourne type espionage thrillers in film and TV form. People don't mind a shadowy/malevolent government as an antagonist. But people want this balanced with heroes, they want men on the streets shooting folk and driving fast cars and the bad guys orchestrating deaths from shadowy back rooms and parking garages.

What I loved about Rubicon was it's lack of all these and the banality of the government machine. It showed that murder, be it one person bumped off or wholesale carpet bombings, is conducted from dull meeting rooms and via memos and conference calls. Nothing flashy or sexy about that.

I loved it and thought it was some of the smartest TV I'd seen for a long time. But I can see why it wasn't for everyone and got canned. Shame

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I rarely watch television and haven't tuned in for primetime television since NYPD Blue ended. Which is a bit of a shame when a show comes along like Rubicon and I miss it completely until well after it has been cancelled.

I think subject matter like Rubicon's is tough for most folks when all they want to do is turn on the television and tune out reality. Read books like Confessions of an Economic Hitman or Legacy of Ashes or Pay Any Price or The Next War and it becomes abundantly clear that Rubicon isn't too far off the mark (enough so that I'm a bit surprised that it got made in the current environment).

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