but struggles to take down an idiotic white english boxer?
I can look past the terrible acting from the westerners, the silly flying scenes, but i just couldnt look past this fact. Absolutely ruined the movie for me. Part 1 was a masterpeice, part 2 is rubbish.
10 Kung Fu Masters at 1 time in a minute? When did that happen? Are you referencing the first movie where he beat those ten soldiers in the Japanese platoon?
Because not a single one of them was even close to being a master. And despite being a bigotted loudmouth, the boxer, Twister, was presented as being a very skillful, the world heavyweight champ.
Even before Master Hung's (Sammo's character) asthma started acting up, Twister was skilled enough to at least fight fairly evenly with him. The same is seen in the fight with Ip Man.
So consider that if Twister and Ip Man are around the same skill level (which is what was presented since during the first round of the fight before kicks were banned Twister was able to evenly match Ip Man's skills), Twister would probably have been able to beat those 10 Japanese platoon members as well as the general from the first.
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Yeah the movie set up the fact that Hung and Ip Man were about equal prior to the boxing. The problem I have with the fight is this... Both movies Ip Man 1 and 2 were showing that Ip Man was so good that other Kung Fu masters would even struggle to land any punches/kicks on him... Most of these masters were really quick and were attacking him from all different angles. I would imagine that a boxer would be slower since his punches are meant to sting more (also because they have more muscle which would slow them down a bit). Additionally, since he's only attacking with his fists, it would be less to deal with. Given this, I couldn't see how Ip man would even be hit by Twister.
Also, the fight between Twister and the students was made to look like he was fighting a bunch of drunks in a bar. Some of these students were good, yet they were unable to block any of Twister's punches?
I don't know what would happen in reality, but based on his untouchable qualities they gave him throughout both movies, it didn't seem like it would have been as big a struggle.
Reality is obviously a different story.. I think a match between a kung fu master and a boxer wouldn't work just because the rules are completely different in competitions.
Definitely felt like Rocky IV... but hey it was still a fun movie :)
Why do you assume that boxers are automatically slower? Boxers are like other people, some are faster while others are slower in their field.
shareWrong; since twister is not skilled in armed combat he would lose to the 10 guys with weapons from first movie.
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Even after numerours punches to the throat... I guess he has the strongest neck in the world...
And part 2 rubbish? because of that little tidbit...
But I have seen many old kung fu movies and little *beep* like that doesnt even annoy me.
No matter how good our kung-fu is, it will never defeat guns.
I have to agree with the OP.
I just got finished watching the movie and it was ridiculous that Ip would be
having such a difficult time with Twister after we saw what he could do in the
first Ip.
I was mad that the storyline wanted me to accept this.
I don't see the problem. In reality, a boxer like late-80's Mike Tyson would wipe the floor with any Kung Fu fighter from the beginning of the century if he were fighting under boxing's rules. This is the reason "pure" boxers have no luck in MMA - the rules don't favor them.
And make no mistake, size and physical fitness DO matter in martial arts. A professional fighter like Twister, especially with his physique, is going to be at an advantage to an older man like those Sifu, that just sat around, drank tea, smoked, and watched their students do forms.
Yeah, he spent most of these these movies with god-mode turned on, and then that happened.
shareYeah, he spent most of these these movies with god-mode turned on, and then that happened.
shareLike too see a almost 50 year old Wing Chun Master take on Vitali Klitschko and see how long he last.
IP was lucky he got up because any 50 year old 9 stone Wing Chung Master getting tagged by a World Champ heavyweight boxer is not going to be getting up for about 10 minutes.
There is something called "Iron Throat" as well as "Iron Shirt" and so on.. Guess what these techniques offer...
That aside, if you think what Ip pulled off is impossible I suggest you read more about Aikido and its most famous practitioners(By all means neglect Seagal!)... Then there's Tai-Chi and so on. Also Ip is supposedly extremely talented- To me style does not matter. The person does.
And lastly it's what I've seen with my own eyes(not that I did not believe it to begin with) that forces me to disagree with your claims that Ip would have no chance..
No offense.
Despite what your girlfriend might tell you size does matter.
There is a reason they have weight classes in boxing as well as MMA.
Age is also another important factor, Ip man would have been on the decline for years, your reactions slow down the fast twitch muscles are not as quick.
And your punch resistance is on the decline, eye sight gets poorer.
A boxer trains to a peak to reach a optimum on that certain night.
One punch landed on the chin and it would have been all over.
I've known bantamweight domestic boxer that has put down a 16 stone bouncer with one punch.
You can't train a chin.
Booo hoooo,, Seagal will be fighting thatsame acotr in Born To Raise Hell.
shareEXACTLY!
I'm not saying the chinese Masters would fight dirty but basically the fight would have ended in 5 seconds, real wing Chung is about precision strikes, accurate lethal strikes an the opponents most vulnerable spots, Only time I saw that in this movie was when he struck the boxer in the ear and side of the head.
this is why you see real chinese Wing Chun Sparring is really close up and constantly blocking what seems like weak back hands and pokes, because those seemingly weak pokes in the hands of a trained master in the throat, the neck the eyes, the ears is almost always leathal.
Real kung fu master would not go toe to toe fist to fist fight. Wing Chun is smarter most efficient way of self defense its about dropping your attacker asap and then moving on with your life.
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"Wing Chun is smarter most efficient way of self defense its about dropping your attacker asap and then moving on with your life."
Haha, I love that!
Do you think a 50 year old Bruce Lee would beat a prime 23 Mike Tyson in a fight where he couldn't kick. That is the disadvantage that Ipman had. The fighter he fought was younger,bigger, and stronger. The guy that beat those 10 fighters was not as good 10 years later.
shareDepends on the martial art. A Judoka has a much better chance against a boxer than a Wing Chun person.
shareYes, OP. He defeated 10 Kung Fu Masters at 1 time in about a minute. Whatever happens in a martial arts movie is exactly what happened in that movie at that time. The movie is telling a story, and that's the one it told. You should put so much faith in movies. They're all fake. You really believed chubby Sammo Hung balanced on those two stools and hopped on that table surface?
Those people were actors.
Chinese martial art movies give people these unrealistic expectations the same reason people say Bruce Lee would beat any mma fighter. These are just movies, they are based LOOSELY on a true story do not take them so seriously.
shareBut people who read into Bruce Lee also feel that he can beat any MMA fighter. The man will fight in the filthiest ways you can't even imagine, yet has a philosophical control in the arts. Who can beat a guy with such extremes?
Back on topic, Twister was depicted as by far the most powerful fighter in the series except Ip and maybe non-asthmatic Hung. He would have no problems with the karate guys too.
I don't really see the problem. There is also another movie with Jet Li in it and he fights a Western boxer (or was it wrestler?. I think Jet Li had trouble fighting him too and he was a great martial artist in the movie.
Twister and the guy that Jet Li fought were both bigger and stronger than the average person that Jet Li and Ip Man are used to fighting.
The acting of the whites in the movie was truely horrible. Movie was indeed a let down after a excellent first part.
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