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For those who thought Ip Man would clean the boxer's clock...

posted 10 years ago by Rooster99
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I found this interesting post in another forum. I don't know if it is true or not, but it was certainly interesting :

- A study of 70 boxers found elite-level fighters could punch with an average of 776 pounds of force. Another study of 23 boxers showed elite fighters were able to punch more than twice as hard as novices, the hardest hitter generating almost 1,300 pounds of force.
- Martial arts punches generally involve much less force than those in boxing. A study of 12 karate black belts showed so-called reverse punches delivered an average force of 325 pounds, with the strongest measuring 412 pounds. Short-range power punches averaged 178 pounds.

If these stats are even close to accurate, you can see how Twister's punches would be absolutely devastating when he landed them, given that he was the reigning heavyweight champion. Ip Man would have had to punch him far more times in order to achieve the same debilitating effect.

Entertaining film, but kind of silly. The fight on the table was well done, but didn't fit with the seriousness of the first film. It was far too obviously wire-guided as opposed to the first one, which hid any wire-aided reactions to blows quite well. Also, more or less a rehash of Rocky IV as countless posters have already stated, even down to the translated political speech at the end.

[–] Zero_Wolf 10 years ago

The thing is, in the universe of this movie, Ip Man was depicted as being nearly untouchable, and perfectly comfortable fighting within a confined space.

So against an opponent, in a ring, who he knew would only be using his fists for powerful strikes (no grapples, no kicks, no elbow, knee, or head strikes), common sense suggests he shouldn't have much trouble a.) avoiding being struck, and b.) systematically striking vulnerable spots on Twister to slow and weaken him.

So real world, sure, a past middle-age small guy might have a problem with a much heavier opponent in his physical prime; but as far as the movie was concerned Ip Man had suddenly become slow and stupid.

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[–] MindDepth01 10 years ago

Actually, each fight scene in the first movie reflect different situations and emotions so Yip Man didn't fight comfortably every time, despite having no problem avoiding being hit for the most part (a common feat in martial arts movies). Compare the sparring match with Master Liu and Jin challenging Yip to the dojo fight and final fight. You'll see major differences in Yip's mood and how he adapts to different opponents.

Twister was a boxing champion, bigger built and possessed more strength/power in his body/fighting than every opponent Yip faced previously (yes, including Jin Shan-Zhao and Miura). Plus street fights are totally different from pro fighting. Yip's fights took place anywhere and anything went. But when he faced Twister he was under alot of pressure and had a hard time thinking out other tactics at first because he never had any experience in boxing matches, didn't train fighting nor his whole body the same way Twister did, didn't know the rules, and therefore couldn't adjust to Twister's fighting the way he usually would otherwise against anyone who challenged him.

Bottom-line: Yip faced his most dangerous adversary to date and wasn't familiar with western martial arts/combat. It has nothing to do with Yip being slower and stupid.

[–] he88 10 years ago

Good points, but as I've mentioned elseware....A boxer regardless of how much strength he has shouldn't be able to beat a master in many martial arts styles because boxing is limited in the ways of attack. Where as if Ip was allowed to use everything including kicks he had many ways to attack

As for the training and punching.....I don't know how much actual power there is behind those super fast rabbit punches he does. They don't appear all that hard so I'm guessing they're to inflict damage in more vulnerable parts of the body. That is one thing that probably wouldn't work too well against a chiseled boxer like that. Without kicks, knees, and elbows there wouldn't be much left