by jiromba
IMDb member since October 2003
I really enjoyed a lot both "Yip Man" movies... in my opinion the first one was a little bit better... despite all criticism regarding the "real" Yip Man's life.
It doesn't matter... my point is:
NEVER !!!! And I mean NEVER... a boxeur would beat a top martial arts fighter...
I am a big fan of boxing... and I have been training just for fun, as an amateur... for more than 10 years... (plus 8 years of Shotokan Karate and 4 of Jiu Jitsu)... and I can assure that boxing is excelent for phisical conditioning and to work out your arms and stamina... but you don't kick !!!
And in all martial arts, you can train to kick in several different forms...
So... if the fight of the movie had happenned It would only take a few kicks to Twister's knees... and it would be over... (Check that guy, Mirko Crocop and his powerful kick... he practiced Muay Thai or Full Contact)...
Well... that's my oppinion... anyone would like to discuss it ?
agreed, alot of racist idiots on youtube either white people even indian people would ramble on about its chinese propaganda or how its not fair that the boxer is wearing gloves (not realising kungfu uses everything from the head to FINGERS in fighting from finger jabs to claw techniques that grab the throat)
but realistically the chinese have ALREADY pulled punches and given white people a pretty good wrap in this film
firstly, inregards to the corrupted cops, you think in the early 19th century of racist white people you think even if you got evidence the english cops would arrest one of their own?? lol they only did this to say SOME white people are evil not all
as for the fight itself, chinese have been doing martial arts for MILLENNIA before whiteman knew what fisty-cuff was, you think they can beat kungfu REGARDLESS of style?? i mean the chinese were already nice giving 'twister' (the english boxer) respect already in this film
realistically in the early 19th century boxing was garbage, and they were NEVER that big, white people who boxed were skinny as *beep* not like the steroid taking douches these days, and the scene where 'twister' asks the kungfu demonstrator to hit him, that punch would've knocked him over
why? kungfu trains in conditioning and using chi, boxing at that era at MOST used 'medicine balls' but even too this day rarely use REAL conditioning in fighting in regards to hardening conditioning
by BoswerLK
» Fri Jul 23 2010 18:37:57 Flag ▼ | Reply |
obviously, you've never heard of Don Frye
besides, a wing chun purist wouldn't last 50 seconds in a UFC match. it's a fighting style that emphasizes close range strikes with no grappling. they'd get taken down and submitted the second they try to attack
another UFC/MMA moron
its got nothing to do with purist its about the user you fool
chinese have been doing kungfu for thousands of years, like we need tips from you
firstly, your ancestors saw asians as small tiny buggers, but japs kicked your ass using karate and judo, then when you learned karate and judo you got cocky again
then bruce lee came along and schooled you in kungfu
I mean, firtly stop babbling about choke-holds, tapouts and submission holds, chinese invented kungfu and kungfu is the ANCESTOR of
ALL arts
we INVENTED grappling and wrestling you retard, in cantonese its called 'soot gar' we use to do it alot with the mongolians in ancient times, you've just watching too many stupid movies so when you think kungfu you think 'animal styles' this and 'animal styles' that and white people love arrogantly telling us chinese on about how bjj (a style that japanese learnt that originated in china ANYWAYS) can beat kungfu OR you can use submissions holds etc
forget wingchun or kungfu in general, a good martial artist would never let you grapple them so easily. if i let you come in close quarters and man handle me, then forget grappling or submission holds, if you had a knife i'd be dead already.
i.e if i let you dictate the fight immediately then i might aswell just give up and go home, a real wingchun fighter would never let you grab them so easily. So shut up about winning in 60 seconds and sh*t like that
plus alot of martial artists these day are tame, they teach themselves to learn a passive way, fighting FAIR like its some dance. In the old days it wasn't like this, even bruce lee said "you are too use to a REHEARSED ROUTINE"
Fighters are too use to fighting fair and they're not ready to be tackled and put in a submission hold, thus this is based on the USER not on the technique if they get grabbed like that
thats why BJJ users are so cocky saying kungfu is useless, when frankly its not based on
style vs style at this point, its based on ones
exp vs another persons exp. It's like how white man felt when they weren't expecting kicks to the face when in the 50s people used fists and weren't use to men kicking let alone kicking that high...i.e you're not use to the unexpected so BJJ winning and being cocky is nothing more then fighting people aren't use to cheap bastards forcing the battle into a ground fight.
Which incidentally has a weakness, if you trained your finger tips a 'claw technique' used in animals styles would injure a grappler on the ground, as you can't punch and kick, digging your hardened fingers (do finger tip pushup training) into the grappler is your only option
let me tell you this, in cantonese "tin ha mo goong choot suew lum"
ALL MARTIAL ARTS ORIGINATED IN SHAOLIN famous chinese saying, even if it wasn't all in shaolin they were all originated in china
just because you stupid mma and ufc enthusiasts have finally gotten the gist of things you throw it back in ours faces "duh cage fighting" "duh UFC"
"duh bjj can beat kungfu", it pisses me off!! to REAL chinese people its not based on a way to punch and kick and mame your opponent, its based on thousands of years of culture and philosophy
it even has a scene where ip man sits with his student, and the lines are to disagree with bruce lee's thoughts i.e bruce thought people were too much traditionalists
in this ip man says to the student "what you want to learn is the ultimate fighting elements within kungfu, what i want to learn is CHINESE KUNGFU because it holds the spirit of our chinese people and our life and cultivation"
for crying out loud the western people would call bruce the first MMA creator and the really true racists would STILL say nah his weak and get his ass kicked in ufc or cage fighting
face facts not many chinese people practice kungfu anymore, alot have been westernised, more then the japanese, in japan and korea they still have powerful masters
in chinese kungfu schools alot are gimmicks and done for profit only, IF you can get people to learn at all, because stupid fellow chinese think kungfu is so "unmodern and outdated and old school" brainwashed by western cultures
CONCLUSIONipman could've won easily, those punches to the hips where the liver is would've immobilised 'twister', they just made it out that the rapid punches were weak
wingchun is DESIGNED for rapid fighting and loves being in close quarters (thats why in cantonese its called 'duen kew' SHORT RANGE FIST, it would EASILY (if trained hardcore) to take out UFC fighters since people hesitate when being close and always backaway, since wing chun loves being close stopping submission holds is easy
not to mention even though BJJ/wrestling is so feared, yet just injuring a finger stops the ability to GRAB any opponent thus neutralising the ENTIRE style
constant attacks to the shoulders reduces the strength to choke hold anyone, if all they can do is grapple and you take that away from them then its not that unbeatable of a technique
p.s white folks think of the battle that everyones the same size when choosing a style, what if i'm small, you think i can use submission holds if i'm tiny? so for you to think so casually its so unrealistic, not everyone is big
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