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Non-Science Nerd Question

posted 9 years ago by jonhopper217
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Maybe I'm so scientifically inept I missed something, but didn't their finding (the whole 125 thing) prove the big bang theory happened? Didn't the fact that there could be higher and lower, somehow prove that because there are different type of particles and atmospheres on other planets, but there are also similar particles, that everything in the universe was created at that moment? Maybe it's too obvious or I'm missing something? I find it interesting the way the one woman kept using a child's view analogy, but the guys who were right and wrong couldn't put it into words. I don't know. The film was probably great for scientists, but it wasn't in the realm of human thinking. It's all theory and in the end, they didn't prove a thing, yet more importantly (so they say) didn't disprove anything.

[–] virgiltx 9 years ago

The theory, as I've read it,seems to be all over the place on what it proves or disproves about the Big Bang. Some scientists now seem to be saying that the Higgs Boson disproves the Big Bang.

If you search for "higgs boson" "big bang" you'll know what I mean.

In my book, there's such a thing about being too theoretical. Look how much uncertainty there is about whether there is or has been life on Mars, and we landed the first probe there in 1976. But they can tell us something far more esoteric and sophisticated about alleged sub-atomic events of 15 billion years ago, billions of light years away?

It can fairly be argued that their grand theories and their claims of proofs, can be regarded as advertising claims to solicit further funding.

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[–] jonhopper217 9 years ago

I think you're right about the funding and unless I missed it, I didn't hear costs mentioned once during the entire film, but I'm guessing it was in the billions. While I'm not denouncing science, it is research like this, while people die of starvation and without lack of water, that angers me about today's science.

[–] Nitrometh 9 years ago

Why don't you give up using internet and other science applied technologies and use your internet and phone bill $$$ to fund charity in the name of the said starving people instead? Thats a start

[–] jhopp217 9 years ago

I actually donate quote a bit every chance I get. Why don't you stop trolling and get a life?

[–] Day245-237-456377 8 years ago

It's the first thing they talk about.. >10 billion

[–] Trax28 8 years ago

But they can tell us something far more esoteric and sophisticated about alleged sub-atomic events of 15 billion years ago, billions of light years away?

The big bang didn't happen billions of light years away, it happened everywhere.

[–] TxMike 8 years ago

If the Big Bang happened at all it happened at one particular, small place. The "bang" would then have sent matter and energy flying at light speed in every direction. The universe would still have been totally dark for some time until matter started accumulating by gravitational attraction and enough hydrogen to cause star formation via nuclear fusion.

Measurements of how far away the most distant galaxies are give us an idea how old and how large the universe is. But we don't know how far away from our galaxy the Big Bang location might have been.

I have doubts that the Big Bang actually occurred.

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[–] Trax28 8 years ago

Actually your wrong about that, like I stated in my first post there is no one location where the big bang happen, it's not like the big bang happen at this specific point in the sky and were now this many light years away from it. Google "Location of big bang" and you'll see the answer is the one I gave, that the big bang happen everywhere in relation from one point in space to another. Here's an answer to the question of this I found online.

Current cosmological theorists suppose that the universe is exactly identical, no matter where it is viewed from, so long as it is viewed at the same time. At the time of the big bang, the distances between any two given points seems to shrink to zero (or some nonzero value that we supposedly will derive from quantum mechanics). The conclusion is that the Big Bang happened everywhere, all at once.

Or you can go to this website for a more detailed description of the location on the big bang. http://futurism.com/where-did-the-big-bang-happen-wheres-the-center-of-the-universe/

Also why do you think the big bang never happen, if you have doubts that the big bang ever happen then whats your theory on how the universe started?

[–] TxMike 8 years ago

The biggest issue is "where did the singularity of matter come from?"

There is no answer, not even a viable theory. If you're going to explain creation of our universe as a Big Bang then you also need to explain where the starting material came from.

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[–] Trax28 8 years ago

Actually you don't, believe it or not science has proven you can get something out of nothing, it's the strange world of quantum mechanics, if you really get into learning about quantum mechanics some of the stuff will just blow you away, like that particles can tell when your looking at them or measuring them, they can also be in more then one place at the same time. You can also link 2 particles together, it's called "Quantum Entanglement" and what you do to one will effect the other no matter how far apart they are, even if they are light years apart, Einstein called this, "spooky action at a distance". There's a lot more stuff like that in quantum mechanics that are really weird.

[–] virgiltx 8 years ago

I believe that Einstein was himself a quantum entanglement skeptic.

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[–] Trax28 8 years ago

I've never heard that about Einstein but I'm definitely not an authority on the subject, it's just an interest of mine, although it wouldn't surprise me because even Einstein had a hard time with explaining the quantum world & his own theory of relativity doesn't work there.

[–] headnotfound 8 years ago

"Say goodbye to classical reality because our logic collapses on the subatomic level into ghosts and shadows... While order does exist in the universe, it is not at all what we had in mind."
-Prince of Darkness, 1987