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This really bugged me about Robert Redford's character:

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Since Robert Redford's character was eventually proven innocent of murder and he was not at the bank when it was robbed, isn't everyone forgetting something? He was a fugitive for 30 years and wanted by the FBI. He evaded capture and assumed the identity of another person. He falsified passports, social security cards, etc. He knew of other fugitives and kept information as to their whereabouts............Is he just given a blank pass with all his indiscretions? He shouldn't be tried for murder but many other felonies should not be dismissed?

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Hey Dave,

Most of what Redford's character may have been guilty of would have most likely passed any statutes of limitations many years earlier. Murder is one crime which does not have a statute of limitations, but he was cleared of the murder charge. Any other charges which could possibly apply would have to be prosecuted by folks who were not very likely to go after him if they considered their case to be weak. Call me silly, but I doubt if the FBI could make a case for any lesser charges that might still be outstanding.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile

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I think the statute of limitations for most crimes is 7 years. Its even less for some crimes. There is no statute of limitaions for murder of course.

There waa an unusual case in Texas. A man indicted for "murder without Malice" was caught after a great many years. People are no longer charged with this crime. Instead its usually negligent homicide or vehicular homicide etc. In order to try him the prosecution, judge, and defense had to study up on the ins and outs of the old case law before they could have a trial. None of them had ever been involved in a case of "Murder Without Malice."



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Thanks Davidwile for your response and I'm sure your 100% correct on the statute of limitations but I'm old fashioned and I just thought if someone, anyone is a fugitive from the law they should pay some penalty.

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Hey Dave,

This film was not written with any clear sense of black and white concerning the law and Redford's character. Even the "good vs. bad" of the Weathermen seemed to be deliberately blurred by the filmmakers. The only clear picture I received from the film was that Redford's character was truly not part of the bank robbery, and that would clear him of the murder charge. He may or may not have been involved in its planning, and if he was, I suppose he could be charged with conspiracy. Then the whole statute of limitations thing comes in, and unless he could be connected to the murder via a conspiracy charge, all charges for any lesser crimes would not likely fly.

I suppose living under a false name to avoid prosecution is one possible charge that would not go against any statutes of limitations since he was doing that continuously the whole time. It would seem that such a charge would not be difficult to prove, but the film was written in such a way as to make Redford's character appear as a "good guy" who should go free since he did not take part in the robbery and murder.

If the situation presented in the film were true, I suspect there would be zealous prosecutors who would want to pursue charges based on his flight to avoid prosecution, but I also suspect there would also be some very good defense attorneys who would jump at the chance to defend him. And one should not forget that a jury would have the final say when it comes to finding him guilty or not guilty. A sympathetic jury would not have to find him "innocent." All they have to do is find he is "not guilty" for whatever reason they determine. No matter what a judge may do or say in a criminal trial, once a case is given to the jury, they can do whatever they want.

Then again, a federal prosecutor could invoke the Patriot Act and send him to Guantanamo Bay as a terrorist. Attorneys could argue the merits of such an action for years, and he could eventually be cleared of such charges, but during that time he would be doing time in a very bad place.

Now, allow me to turn the table again. Suppose he was taken to Guantanamo Bay as a terrorist and was eventually ordered by the courts to be released because terrorist charges were not appropriate. Would he then not have a right to collect monetary damages from the government for false imprisonment? Of course the government does not have any of its own money, so that would mean any such damages would be paid with taxpayer money. What if such a finding also set a precedent for many of the other people imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay?

See how all these "what ifs" make for a very complicated story? I think that is why the film story tries to keep it simple for the ending. I hope I have not ruined your appreciation for the film with all my wild speculations.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile








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Thanks Dave for your very insightful explanation. The film did show that Redford's character was a nice guy and was very responsible for taking care of his young daughter and I guess most people were rooting for a nice Hollywood ending which they got but I wanted he should pay something for being a fugitive for 30 years.

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the statute of limitations doesn't apply... once someone has a warrant out for their arrest, the limitations clock stops for any crime...

in real life Sloan would have been charged with a bunch of crimes, accessory to murder, conspiracy, aiding and abetting, obstruction, etc....

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That's exactly what I thought all along but some persuasive arguments changed my mind but now I'm thinking exactly like you!

Many thanks!!!

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In Les Miserables Jean Valjean spends 19 years in prison for stealing a loaf of bread and trying to escape. The book is based largely on Eugene Vidocq, a real person. Valjean breaks parole after his release but repents and becomes a philanthropist.

But then he gets a pitiless police official named Javert on his tail wishing to grind him into the dust. Apparently Javert has modern counterparts who want a perpetual pound of flesh.

Its no joke that a year is prison costs more than a year at Harvard for a student. That's why major corporations fund private prisons.




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Thanks for your reply Chicago85! Very interesting but I kinda new about the Les Miserables story.........I hate to admit it but I guess I'm the perpetual pound of flesh guy.

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The stolen identity is an on-going crime, so the statute of limitations clock starts ticking the moment he gives up the stolen identity, not when he first steals it.

Still, it is not what the movie is about, so chill out about it.
We can find things to nit pick about any movie, if we are nit-picky enough.

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The FBI could consider him doing all this to help capture the real perp..... I mean if he had not she would still be in the wind.

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One question. I had about 50 starting with
Redford having a 9 year old. Just more drivel
put out by the great Woodstock generation that has
the country sliding to 3rd world status.

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