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Weather Underground = Al Qaeda


This movie is nothing but disgusting revisionist propaganda pretending to be drama.

The Weather Underground were the Al Qaeda of their day and the terrorists involved are still as fanatical and unrepentant as ever. Their goal was the violent overthrow of American government to be replaced with them at the head of a Communist revolution.

They caused the death of an officer and other members were involved in other murders. They attacked police stations, the Pentagon and other symbols of American civilization.

They all should've been convicted of treason and put to death. Instead, we have some of their filth teaching in our Universities and poisoning young minds into their insidious beliefs. Truly sickening.

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You are an idiot. To compare the weather underground to Al Qaeda is the biggest load of crap of all time. You have no clue what they stood for. All you are doing is just believing your own crazy conspiracies about a group.

And you are doing nothing but trying to spin stuff and change history. They never wished or planned to overthrow the government and replace it with themselves at the head of a communist revolution. Never was their intention and goals. Their goals were communism but in the traditional marxist which was a stateless and classless society. Therefore no government and no head of state and no economic classes. And they believed to get that way they had to attack the government non the people who run it by the system aka its infrastructure. Which is not humans or people this is why they never murdered anyone which they never did.

They caused the death of an officer and other members were involved in other murders. They attacked police stations, the Pentagon and other symbols of American civilization.


Again, you are spinning history. The officer that was killed, there was no evidence that the bombing was linked to Weather Underground. People suspecting it being Weather Underground but it was never proven and the weather underground denied that they were responsible for that specific bombing. There were a few members that joined other groups later on and were involved in murder. However that is not the weather underground. And it happened after the weather underground was abolished.


They all should've been convicted of treason and put to death. Instead, we have some of their filth teaching in our Universities and poisoning young minds into their insidious beliefs. Truly sickening.


You are an idiot. They all already served decades and more of prison time for what they did. And only a few of them are professors today but one professor is a mathematics teacher, the other member is a professional and environmental law, one teaches law, and the other teaches social justice. They are not teaching about communism. They served their time and the members actually regret what their actions. It was a different time with a lot of struggles. And lets not forget that you can find stories on far right wing neo-nazi's, Klanmembers, white nationalists, etc that have been professors and teachers in the United States not to mention many of these people have ran for political office before. And conservatives who are involved in designing the history books for grade schools, they are changing them that will alter history and make it be more conservative and partisan which isn't history. These people and things have more damage on the young minds than Ayers or others.

The Weather Underground never murdered anyone, that is a proven fact. I am not supporting weather underground but history is history.

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Oh, really? I'll just ask this: What about the, stated mind you, necessity of killing 25 million? Care to deny that. I'm sure that number is much higher, now. Ayers was convicted. He skipped on a technicality.

These people and things have more damage on the young minds than Ayers or others.

Heh. A laughable assertion that you have practiced very well. I applaud you, comrade. You do of course realize that, you will be one of the ones they come for don't you? Maybe not first, but soon. Sleep well, comrade.

And conservatives who are involved in designing the history books for grade schools, they are changing them that will alter history and make it be more conservative and partisan which isn't history.

Uh-huh. "Accuse others, of what you do." Care to guess whose quote that is?

Starts with a Karl ends with Marx.




Push the button, Max

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Oh, really? I'll just ask this: What about the, stated mind you, necessity of killing 25 million? Care to deny that. I'm sure that number is much higher, now. Ayers was convicted. He skipped on a technicality.


There is no proof that they never said that. What you are paying attention to is an interview of Larry Grathwohl who was an undercover agent posing as a member of the weather underground to infiltrate them. Agents like these have used tactics that involved lying and using disinformation to bring down a group or a person. They did this to Martin Luther King Jr. too

Larry Grathwohl was never a real member of the weather underground, he was always anti-weather underground because he was an agent pretending to be one to know what they were up to and doing. But there is no proof that they actually discussed those things. The fact is, Weather Underground never killed anyone in any of their tactics. You keep trying to assume that I support what they did or even what they stood for and I don't and I never did but there is a difference between in honest and recognizing historic facts and being a partisan douche bag such as yourself and using lies and manipulation because you have no understand of history and have to resort to cheap lies and attacks to try to win any argument.

Heh. A laughable assertion that you have practiced very well. I applaud you, comrade. You do of course realize that, you will be one of the ones they come for don't you? Maybe not first, but soon. Sleep well, comrade.


You are ridiculous. And what is with this comrade stuff? haha. You need to wake up and see reality. The cold war is over. It has been over for over 30 years. Communism is dead. I will be one of the ones they will come for? You do realize that the Weather Underground isn't even a group anymore and hasn't been for over 40 years. In fact nearly all communist groups in the United States no longer exists. And its hilarious that you are saying this is laughable. I am not the one living in the past. I am not the delusional paranoid crazy that you are. I don't live in fear. You're a coward. Haha

Uh-huh. "Accuse others, of what you do." Care to guess whose quote that is?

Starts with a Karl ends with Marx.


Actually no liberal/progressive or leftist has changed history books and history to brainwash children. Our history books were never controlled by leftists. They were made by actual historians and educators. Now the history books are in the hands of Texas and Texas Republicans and evangelicals are changing history and cutting very important things also out of history. That is revisionism and that is brainwashing and that is what conservatives and republicans and far right extremists are doing.

And like I said there are tons of stories of teachers and college professors being KKK members or former Klan members or Neo-Nazi's as well as any kind of white nationalist group. These are all far right wing groups and ideologies. And that is more dangerous having them in class than Bill Ayers. Also these kinds of extremists who are actually in the KKK or neo-nazi groups/white nationalist groups or are affiliated and friends with these groups. They have been running for political office and some have even gotten into office. This is extreme and dangerous. But nope, keep living in fear of an old man like Bill Ayers, keep believing that its somehow the cold war still and a battle against communism still exists. It just shows how laughable and pathetic you really are.

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There is plenty of evidence, starting with the undercover FBI agent Larry Grathwohl, but none as impressive as the Weathermen's own manifesto, Prairie Fire. But I'm sure you know this full well because you're an apologist.

Here's a snippet of Agent Grathwohl talking about these fanatics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBtANp4IKVk

A quote from their manifesto, "Our final goal is the destruction of imperialism, the seizure of power, and the creation of socialism. Our strategy for this stage of the struggle is to organize the oppressed people of the imperial nation itself to join with the colonies in the attack on imperialism. This process of attacking and weakening imperialism involves the defeat of all kinds of national chauvinism and arrogance; this is a precondition to our fight for socialism."

supporting link http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/


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There is plenty of evidence, starting with the undercover FBI agent Larry Grathwohl, but none as impressive as the Weathermen's own manifesto, Prairie Fire. But I'm sure you know this full well because you're an apologist.


No there isn't. There is no evidence that they ever talked about wanting to murder anyone. All of their demonstrations did not involve any murders or deaths. I've read about Praire Fire before, that was a manifesto. Again, I ever said that they were violent. They did use violence. Vandalism and bombings is an act of violence. But they never murdered anyone nor talked about it which is what you are saying and there is no proof on that. You keep trying to paint me as an apologist when I have told you time and time again that I do not SUPPORT THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND. Get your *beep* head out of your ass. You are the dumbest *beep* person I have ever come across on here. I don't support weather underground. I don't support weather underground, and I don't support weather underground.

You are a waste of time. I should not even have to argue with you. I'm right and you are wrong, that is all there is. And the fact that you keep trying to paint me as a supporter of the weather underground despite me saying I don't support them. It just shows what a partisan piece of garbage you really are. You are trying to change history and you are trying to change what I am saying by putting words into my mouth. You are wrong

And a Manifesto is a Manifesto. We can argue about their Manifesto but that isn't the discussion. You are calling them murderers and they are not because they never murdered anyone. And again FBI agents lie all the time. So regardless of what Larry Grathwohl says, I will take it with a grain of salt. Since the FBI also painted Martin Luther King as a philander.

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You are an anonymous face on the internet trying to excuse the behavior of terrorists and rationalize it. Agent Grathwohl is a retired FBI agent that risked his life undercover with these fanatics. I'll trust him over you. Thanks.

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And how many millions of people did the US kill in Vietnam as well as all the destruction we caused from bombs and Agent Orange? Oh, that doesn't matter because they were all *beep*
And of course, our government was totally upfront, honest and legal about the whole war, oh I mean conflict, because it wasn't really a war legally.

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I dunno pal...how many did the US kill? I heard two million were tangos-VC or NVA soldiers...at least that's what Giap said

Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?

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Hi Nick
considering in the end those Commie scumbags won, it would have been best if we killed zero there.

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I actually think The South Viets were doing 'ok' considering the subversion infiltration thru Cambodia & Laos-but the neatest trick was convincing the US administration to 'knock off' it's own ally (like The Shah & Mubarak)-creating chaos & a power vacuum filled by the NVA.




Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?

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SVN was too weak and too vulnerable, too skinny so it had long borders to defend unless it had a strong Cambodia as an ally, which it didn't thanks to Prince Sihanouk who became a pawn of Mao

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Sihanouk didn't trust South Vietnam OR Thailand (because historically the Khmer empire was carved up by the Kingdom of Siam & the Vietnamese kingdom in the southern part of that country)...I figgered if JFK 'overflattered' Snooky, gave him some guarantees & did intervene more forcefully in Laos ( North Vietnam committed two divisions of their troops kind of openly there early in the late 1950s & early 1960s to support their proxies) AND they left Diem alone to play the 'Robert Mugabe' role things would have gone better. Later historians found that in Diem's writings he was perfectly content to allow the VC to control parts of the delta because the land there didn't allows for the villages to be fortified, so he was going to have a 'slow burn' insurgency probably for decades.




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Yeah, the US really dropped the ball big time in Nam in all sorts of ways. Don't let Democrats start wars

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The gave too much credence to those two cub reporters--who's interpreter was an NVA intel agent.




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How 'bout this you freakin' (*&(&()&%^$^$:

On Oct. 20, 1981, two Nyack police officers were killed after the
robbery of $1.6 million from an armored truck at the Nanuet Mall.

Yesterday, dozens of police officers, citizens, family and friends
gathered to remember Sgt. Edward O'Grady and Officer Waverly
"Chipper" Brown at the entrance to the New York State Thruway where
the two police officers were shot to death.

They also honored Brinks security guard Peter Paige, who had been
killed less than an hour earlier outside the mall.

Stewart was one of the dozens of officers who took part in the Brinks
investigation and the prosecution of several of the killers.

On the day of the robbery, Nyack police set up a roadblock by the
Thruway entrance after the Brinks armored car was ambushed at the
Nanuet Mall by a gang of former Weather Underground radicals and
members of the Black Liberation Army. Paige was shot dead and guard
Joseph Trombino was severely wounded.

The police stopped a U-Haul by the Thruway within a half-hour of the
robbery, and six men jumped out and opened fired on the officers with
high-powered automatic weapons. O'Grady and Brown were killed, and
Nyack police Detective Arthur Kennan was wounded.

"Ed O'Grady's youngest daughter was just born when this happened ...
another daughter was 2, and his son — who is now a Naval officer with
kids of his own — was 6," South Nyack-Grand View Police Chief Robert
Van Cura told the Editorial Board. Van Cura was a young Nyack
patrolman in 1981 and responded to Brinks."

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Clearly you didn't even read your own article because you are a bloody moron.

by a gang of FORMER Weather Underground radicals and
members of the Black Liberation Army.


You see the group involved in the Brinks Robbery in 1981 was the May 19 Communist Organization which consisted of three FORMER Weather Underground members which the Weather Underground had at least 20 members and maybe even more. The May 19 group also consisted of former members of the Black Liberation Army and then other radicals. You see this was a new group, it wasn't the Weather Underground. So you see, you are wrong, once again, so you can just shut up now.

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Cut-and-pasters like Ironman54 usually are dim bulbs. I think their expectation is that since they're too lazy and stupid to bother to take the time to read a few paragraphs, then that must mean everyone else is as well.

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Since he's citing a factual event and you're just using ad hominems, I wonder who I'd trust more. Hmm...

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Yeah, but too bad for you and your transparent propaganda that the 1981 Brinks robbery had nothing to do with the Weather Underground organization. Hell, I think the WU were pretty foolish and of puerile political mindset. But you're even worse. You're a pusher of lies and distortion.

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Were all the members of the Brinks robbery AND MURDER members of Weather Underground? Did the Weather Underground bomb buildings? Did the Weather Underground blow up their own fanatics while trying to make bombs to blow up a Fort Dix military dance?

You are a fool and a liar.

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Roblov,

I was going to reply to say that your analogy--of WU to AQ--was clumsy.

But then I realized that the best response is to test the analogy and see where it holds water and where it leaks.

Where it holds water is that, indeed, both WU was, and AQ is, engaged in activities that spite the intentions and wishes of their host governments: WU was certainly opposed to the Washington establishment, and vice-versa. And AQ actually sees it's host Saudi establishment as toadies to imperialism, and the post-9/11 Saudi establishment continues to be in the good graces of the Washington establishment only by dint of Washington being fully aware of AQ as a splinter extremist manifestation. The Saudi establishment remains firm in its commitments to serve western power.

But there is also some serious leakage in your analogy. The "sin" of the Saudi establishment, to AQ, is that they sell their cultural and religious heritage down the river for the paltry plate of beans offered by the "infidel" West.

The "sin" of the Washington establishment, to the WU, is that they sold the cultural heritage of decent, small-'r' republicanism down the river for the politically retrograde "promise" of global economic empire, and the supporting supposition that warmongering to achieve that end is inherently cheap; costing merely the terror-filled hoary deaths of a handful (~50,000) of the nation's young people, similar deaths (~1Mil) of people half-a-world away, and a dipping-into of the Nation Treasury to the tune of about US$400billion in 1970 dollars. And let's not forget the associated depredations upon the national conscience.

And those are *very, very* different things, and not easily placed side-by-side in an analogy.

But, again considering the aptness of your analogy, I can see another commonality: Both AQ and the WU worked toward the common end of getting change in their host systems: AQ wanted change in the Saudi establishment, and the WU wanted change in the American establishment. This certainly marks both as pariah organizations. The wide, easy road for any organization that wants systemic support and sustainability is to serve the establishment power structure; and that goes for every country on the planet. Any organization that sets itself to oppose the established power system, no matter how reasonable and well-formed its moral grounds, has a tough row to hoe.

And, again, while I think your OP is a little clumsy (precipitous in its conclusions), one thing stands out: Deeply thinking about the plusses and minuses of your analogy is a very, very useful strategy for thinking about America, "heavy power", and its imperial aspirations.

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And I'd like that. But that 5h1t ain't the truth. --Jules Winnfield

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and what's wrong with alqaida?

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who had contempt for AMERICANS and AMERICA.

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Yeah, we should've used nukes and nerve gas on those dirty hippies

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They just had to make them smell like roses when they were actually nothing but murdering scumbags.

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Agreed,

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'Terrorist' is a term that is all connotation and no denotation, as the term "terrorist" could be applied to anything which 'terrorizes' another. If that something is a large and powerful entity such as a government, it seems equally reasonable to refer to that government as a terrorist as much as to those who attempt to abolish it.

Personally, I hate the term as it is a one-size-fits-all label which detracts from the understanding of a person's motivations. It is a way to convict someone of the most terrible crimes before they ever see a trial, and that is textbook unconstitutional. Heaven help the person who is labeled such and is proven innocent of any such crime.

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