Animal cruelty?
I read that this film contains animal cruelty can anyone tell me what it is and whether it says the cruelty wasn't real at the end of the credits (as it usually does with most films containing animals)?
shareI read that this film contains animal cruelty can anyone tell me what it is and whether it says the cruelty wasn't real at the end of the credits (as it usually does with most films containing animals)?
shareThe son kills a stray cat with a pair of gardening shears.
The credits aren't in English so I can't see whether there was a disclaimer but I really doubt the actor actually stabbed a cat to death.
Thanks for your help.
shareOkidoki.... put me off watching this movie now XD don't like watching anything where cats get hurt, even if its fake...
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I'm with you, Meimi. I don't ever want to see a cat hurt, even if it's fake, too.
shareInteresting when you consider that the cat is one of the most sadistic and efficient killers in the animal world... I love cats by the way.
Anyway yes, it is stated at the end of the film that no animals were harmed. As far as I know that's illegal in Greece anyway.
seems weird, though. there were at least three incidents where i could have sworn animals did really get hurt:
1) when one guy beats a dog with a stick repeatedly.
2) when the family's son attacks the cat, he may not actually cut her up, but it sure looked as if he hit the cat with the scissors.
3) when the father puts the three fish in the pool, the bag he carries them in is too small and contains almost no water. no way those fish were not fearing for their lives inside that bag.
so that disclaimer might as well be a straight lie. from what i've experienced the many times i've been to greece, animals rights are not exactly a big issue there. might have changed in the past couple of years, though.
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Stray dogs run amok in Greece.
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And this is a discussion board. if you don't like it, move to a book and stay the hell off the internet.
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shareNot really animal cruelty here. You see
1. Fish aren't animals, they're food.
2. Cats aren't animals, they're demons
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3. Dogs like to play with sticks
That's how you train a dog for that type of situation, the stick used does not harm the dog and shows only that the dog knows to cling on despite resistance.
The cat is clearly fake in the death scene.
The fish were likely eaten by the crew. Delicious, delicious fish :3
Clearly you let your emotions get the better of you instead of thinking rationally about what you were seeing in the film.
1) Nobody is "beating" a dog with a stick. The father goes to a dog training facility which has the sole purpose of training dogs to be guard dogs (very similar to what police forces do with their K-9 units). The stick they use is made out of material that wouldn't even hurt a fly. It's solely used to agitate the dog to simulate an actual attack scenario.
2) LMAO, wow. Clearly he got nowhere close to stabbing the cat. He's a good foot or so in front of the cat to make the camera angle look like he's attacking it when in reality you can clearly see the garden shears get stabbed into the ground. The cat noises afterwards were obviously dubbed in.
3) All fish are transported like that. Besides restricting their movement temporarily, it brings absolutely no harm to the fish. The situation with the fish that DID make me question the scene though was where the father was putting them. I'm sure that pool water didn't have chlorine in it, but if that was fresh water and the fish were salt water fish, it's likely that they could have died later on after filming.
"so that disclaimer might as well be a straight lie"
No, that disclaimer is not a straight lie, but you might as well be a straight dunce.
wonder what kind of issues somebody's gotta have to just insult people like that for no reason at all.
The scissors were made of rubber, the cat was not harmed in any way.
shareYou're choosing not to watch this film because you'll see a toy/model of a cat with a pair of shears in it?
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But when humans get hurt, no problem?
I Sympathize with Lars Von Trier.
We humans can defend ourselves and we are capable of what we are doing and what not, animals dont. Animals are pure, innocent and they act by their nature and instinct without the intention to harm anyone. What I am saying is that animals cant defend themselves and they cant choose, we choose for them. But a human can choose what he wants to do and we are capable of whats happening.
shareYeah, me too. Remember the scene in Willard (the remake of Ben) where the rats get the cat? Pissed me off so bad. Obviously fake and really a stupid scene but it still upset me.
shareI'm with you there partner! And any animal, for that matter!
shareI'm with you there partner! And any animal, for that matter!
shareIt does indeed state in the end that no animals were harmed during the making of the film. Of course it's in greek so I can see how many people wouldn't know what's written.. But no need to worry!
shareI think the OP may have heard about the part with the dog. When the dog is being trained for attacking, it's being hit with a stick multiple times.
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Theres an idiot born every minute, thats aimed at you bugyell.
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lol. Just a shame Cristina wasn't a bit fitter, you could have rubbed out another two...
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I really can't believe you didn't flinch.
sharePlease tell me you're kidding. There's debate about whether or not animals even have any consciousness whatsoever, and you're saying it's worse to hit a dog with a stick than to be killed by three men in your older years, a defenseless old man? I don't understand why you'd watch all of those real-life gore videos, either. That's disturbing.
I'm not condoning either type of cruelty, but you sound disturbingly dismissive of people who are killed. In. Real. Life.
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This definitely falls into a theme of the movie: training others on a penalty/reward basis in order to mold them into your expectations. Seeing what happens if this is applied to the extreme in adult humans, might it give certain individuals pause when they try to train a dog? (I am not defending this act of violence shown on-screen by any means)
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So you are okay with violence to people but not to a cat? Interesting...
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I am relieved to read this, as it was a concern of mine while first watching the film. While the shot of the cat's corpse is obviously fake, the first shot of the son springing at the cat with the hedge clippers is frightening realistic and had me worried.
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How can animal cruelty ever be worse than human cruelty?
Yes this film shows graphic violence, self-mutilation, incest, physical and psychological abuse etc. - all fine apparently but, boy, if a cat gets killed ... that's a step too far!!!
No offence to animal lovers (honestly) but please try to see things in perspective.
It's like in "American Psycho" when Bateman is at a cash machine and is about to shoot a cat and everyone in the cinema goes "nooooooooooooooooooo", and then he kills an old woman and people go "ahhhh, much better". I just don't get it.
I completely get you. Not to mention your post is funny, but I dont think it can be explained (or easily at any rate). Its...just...not easy to watch. Ive watched the grossest *beep* imaginable, but when he ran at the cat with the shears, I *almost* turned it off. Btw, I have three "daughters" of my own.
Regarding the American Psycho scene, that actually didnt bother me because it was too ridiculous
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Me personally, whether its real or fake, its humane (looking) versus inhumane.
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Yes this film shows graphic violence, self-mutilation, incest, physical and psychological abuse etc. - all fine apparently but, boy, if a cat gets killed ... that's a step too far!!!
*beep* off and die.
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It's because (mostly) adult humans have a chance to fight back, they have a voice, they at least understand what is happening to them.
Animals like dogs and cats are generally smaller, weaker, don't understand the cruelty or why it is being done to them. They're perceived as being more innocent and usually trusting.
The cat in Dogtooth is definitely innocent and trusting.
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I HATE viewers who think that animal cruelty is worse than human cruelty. Sure some animals might be confused at first, but animals, especially cats, understand killing for food and for sport. It deeply concerns me that some people value animal life over human life.
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A cat is disemboweled with garden sheers. You're never going to see real animal cruelty on film. I remember on the commentary track for The Shawshank Redemption they talked about the one scene where the one character feeds some mealworms to his pet bird and they said they had to find mealworms which had died of natural causes, they couldn't just feed the bird live mealworms.
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned that the dog was being trained in Schutzhund, and wasn't just "being beat with a stick". I don't know how to word it properly without sounding stupid, so I'm just going to copy and paste the description from Wikipedia (I read over to make sure it was correct!)
In the protection phase, the judge has an assistant, called the "decoy", who helps him test the dog's courage to protect himself and his handler and his ability to be controlled while doing so. The decoy wears a heavily padded sleeve on one arm. There are several blinds, placed where the decoy can hide, on the field. The dog is directed to search the blinds for the decoy. When he finds the decoy, he indicates this by barking. The dog must guard the decoy to prevent him from moving until recalled by his handler. There follows a series of exercises similar to police work where the handler searches the decoy and transports him to the judge. At specified points, the decoy either attacks the dog or the handler or attempts to escape. The dog must stop the attack or the escape by biting the padded sleeve. When the attack or escape stops, the dog is commanded to "out," or release the sleeve. The dog must out or he is dismissed. At all times the dog must show the courage to engage the decoy and the temperament to obey his handler while in this high state of drive. Again, the dog must show enthusiasm. A dog that shows fear, lack of control, or inappropriate aggression is dismissed.
hahaha, as soon as I saw the dog being attacked incredibly softly with that stick, and the cat being attacked I knew that on IMDB there were going to be Americans crying over animal cruelty.
sharei'm pretty sensitive about animals but that scene didn't bother me cuz it was short,fast and kinda fake
ps: i have a dog !
I know, A movie shows a horro of incest and all these lame brains can do is cry about stupid ass animals
shareActually, the cat scene is pretty obviously faked, although it is graphic and a very striking scene in the movie. A cleverly timed cutaway does the job there.
I actually thought the scene where the dog is being hit by the trainer was much more realistic and difficult to fake. I assume a rubber stick or something but still quite disturbing viewing.
This is just sick.
It's fake.
And to the guy/girl bring up the fish in the plastic bag: Oh my god how idiotic that sounds.
Don't assume. It makes an ass out of u and me.
Actually i would have thought it more cruel to put sea fish in a clorinated pool.
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