JANE FONDA
I will not watch anything with Hanoi Jane in it.
shareHow nice for you.
"The value of an idea has nothing whatsoever to do with the sincerity of the man who expresses it."
As soon as I saw the header I knew it was going to be some idiot bringing that up yet again.
If you plan on going to see this movie why don't you just save the $15 and go on down to the nearest veteran's cemetery and take a big runny *beep* on the nearest veteran's headstone.
cause that is what you are doing when you help re-brand this maggot traitor Hanoi Jane as a human . She should be tried, convicted and hanged publicly as the traitor she is and anyone who knowingly patronizes any thing she makes money on is party to her treason and *beep* on the graves of every American who actually loves this republic.
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How 'bout those who started that war?
They're the ones who got the soldiers killed. Just sayin.
what is it you are you "just Sayin"?
how are he French relevant to Hanoi Jane's treason and the effort to re-brand her as human or worthy of life?
she should be tried convicted and Hanged publicly as the traitor she is...
he may have been refering to soiciopath politicians up in dc.u fkn retard
shareIf you plan on going to see this movie why don't you just save the $15 and go on down to the nearest veteran's cemetery and take a big runny *beep* on the nearest veteran's headstone.Who are you to criticize others for disrespecting Vietnam Veterans when you are using them as a human shield for a stupid war???
If LBJ had found a way to pull out before the antiwar movement got going, you would be just as angry--you would just have nobody to blame it on. share
here let me help you proof your ignorant statement. but I must ask...Is English your first language and did you go to a school that neglected to teach US history or are you illiterate?
"Who are you to criticize others for disrespecting Vietnam Veterans when you are using them as a human shield "- (I think you meant shields)
"for a stupid war???" - ( when were Viet Nam vets used as Human shields?)
"If LBJ had found a way to pull out before the antiwar movement got going" (the anti-war movement was going long before LBJ and LBJ did not pull out... LMAO)
.. you would be just as angry--you would just have nobody to blame it on.- (blame what on?)
Hanoi Jane's treason s the issue and if you go see this movie you might as well just go take a runny *beep* on a veteran's grave.
You are just as culpable in Hanoi Jane's treason as she is.
and "WHO am I?"
I'm an American what are you?
You seem to have a problem with the concept that a group of people can be one human shield. You should ask people this question: if Hamas uses 2 schools with 500 civilians to shield 2 rocket launch sites, is that 2 shields or 500? You think that the answer, "500" is obvious, but a lot of people will pick 2.
"If LBJ had found a way to pull out before the antiwar movement got going" (the anti-war movement was going long before LBJ and LBJ did not pull out... LMAO)You also have a problem with the concept of "hypothetical question." I know that LBJ did not pull out. I was arguing on the basis of what if.
Hanoi Jane's treason s the issueNo jury convicted her because Nixon chose not to prosecute. There is reason to believe that he was reluctant because she would have used the war's undeclared status in her defense. The 6th Amendment gives us the right to be confronted with witnesses against us. As Nixon chose not to prosecute, that deprived Fonda of the chance to defend herself.
You are just as culpable in Hanoi Jane's treason as she is.I'm committing treason by calling your superpatriotism bunk????? share
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Can you explain why Nixon chose not to press charges? Given the trials of the Chicago 7 and Daniel Ellsburg, I find it highly unlikely that he was too wishy-washy.
I've set forth my theory: Nixon thought that Fonda would use the war's undeclared status as a defense--that without a declaration of war, the word "enemies" was undefined. Without a declaration of war, "enemies" can only be defined by their enmity towards us. Nixon's concern, according to this theory, is that if Fonda did use this defense and the jury sided with her, it would make it harder for future presidents to engage in undeclared wars that putting Fonda on trial seemed the lesser danger.
Do you have a competing theory? The Founding Fathers gave defendants--and not just the nice ones--the right to defend themselves in court. They included a precise definition of treason. If you think that politically incorrect defendants do not deserve their day in court, you're questioning the patriotism of the Founding Fathers.
Your theory about enemies not defined is foolish and has no merit...
There is no element of treason that requires a declared war or a previously defined enemy or that it be a foreign enemy. look up US v Rosenberg Southern District of New York 1951.
and I absolutely think Hanoi Jane deserves her day in court, I have no doubt it would be followed by her conviction and public execution.
Her treason is absolutely text book per article III section 3 of the Constitution.
there is not statute of limitations on treason.
Her Guilt is more than evidenced via audio, video, still photography and witness testimony.
It was not Nixon's decision to prosecute or not. Do you understand how our government works? Prosecutorial authority rests with the AG on federal crimes.
She should hang publicly as the traitor she is.
she is a traitor and if you help re brand her into a human you are just as much of a traitor.
Let's talk about Ukraine. It's all but confirmed that Russian troops were invading that country. Let's say that it was obvious to all whose media access isn't limited by what Putin approves that he wanted to create the crisis in order to distract the Russian people away from the corruption of his regime.
Now let's say that Nadezhda Tolokinnokova of Pussy Riot appeared in Kiev's Maidan Square. Would she be committing treason?
As for the US v. Rosenburg decision, Potter Stewart did not feel it was controlling. I haven't read the entire interview, and it was released posthumously; but I strongly suspect that if the case had reached him, he would have ruled for the government.
I do know that the Attorney General is the top law enforcement official in the country. I also know that he serves at the pleasure of the President. So your statement only passes on the question: why did John Mitchell (or Richard Kleindienst) not prosecute.
And for the statute of limitations, then why did Reagan (Richard French Smith, Edwin Meese), Bush (Richard Thornburgh, William Barr) and Bush (John Ashcroft, Albert Gonzales, Michael Mukasey) choose not to prosecute?
You still have no actual theory as to why there was no trial. Give me your theory, and then we'll discuss it.
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You did not answer the question, why wasn't Fonda prosecuted. You answered the question, why didn't Nixon prosecute. By saying that it's the Attorney General's decision (as though Nixon was an impotent spectator with as little influence as a viewer of a game show shot months earlier in a studio thousands of miles away has of altering the course of the game); you set up the question, why didn't Mitchell and Kleindienst do so.
As for Ukraine, do you not understand the concept of "hypothetical question?" I didn't say that Nadezhda Tolokinnokova did anything like that, I was asking, what if she had? When you say that she and her bandmates had done nothing to aid an enemy, you're saying that Ukraine has no enmity towards Russia. Yet, Putin has sent troops there. Now, can you grasp the concept of "their enmity towards us?"
Act sharp now. Either bring your A game or go home.
It is well known Nixon did not prosecute at the bidding of John wayne and other Hollywood friends of the Fonda family. and Nixon had bigger problems to worry about.
there is no hypothetical in treason.
You either give aid and comfort to the enemy as Hanoi Jane did or you don't.
if like Hanoi Jane you do; then you are a traitor and that is for life, there is no possible rehabilitation for treason.
To give aid and comfort to the enemy you have to do exactly that, do something that benefits them and is a detriment to your country.
expressing an opinion is not treason. actively taking action against US servicemen in POW status as Hanoi Jane did is textbook treason. the lack of prosecution is not relevant.
Allen West will never be prosecuted either and he is as textbook a traitor as Hanoi Jane.
bottom line is if you go see this movie you are no better than Hanoi jane and might as well go take a runny S H I T on a veteran's grave.
Hanoi Jane Fonda has no right to be alive and should doe a traitors death. If it were not illegal I would do love to do the deed myself. KIlling a traitr lke the traitor Hanoi Jane fonda would be a service to the republic.
Yesterday, you were faulting me for saying that it was Nixon's decision; that I should know it's the Attorney General's responsibility. Now you're telling me that Mitchell and Kleindienst chose not to prosecute because John Wayne & co. inveighed upon Nixon. Can't you keep your answers straight?
there is no hypothetical in treason.Why don't you stand on a chair and shout at the top of your voice, "Hey, everyone, watch how I duck this question!!" I told you to bring your A game, and you haven't. share
@harpoj
You're nuts. Obviously she didn't commit an act of treason, otherwise she would have been prosecuted and tried by the government, period,end of story. Also, like the other poster said, having an opinion in itself is not treason. Here's her own words on what happened, and she didn't give "aid and comfort" to the enemy--that's just pure bull**** on your part. Unless you have any actual proof of that, just be quiet about it.
http://www.janefonda.com/the-truth-about-my-trip-to-hanoi/
She should hang publicly as the traitor she is. ... she is a traitor and if you help re brand her into a human you are just as much of a traitor.
People who are disagreeing with you here are simply expressing an opinion, just as you are expressing your opinion. The last I heard, expressing an opinion is not considered a traitorous act.
However, many of the ideas that you've expressed here are frighteningly similar to the published beliefs of the American Nazi Party. And your vicious tirades against Jane Fonda, your vulgar name-calling, your wish for her death, and your desire to compare anyone who could praise her acting ability as "just as much of a traitor" ~~ that shows that you really need psychological help to deal with your extreme and abnormal anger. share
Harpo, your nasty series of posts on this thread is completely un-American. As a Vietnam veteran I invite you to shut the hell up. Nothing you can say hasn't already been said by more intelligent people than you. Your posts say much more about you yourself than about Jane Fonda or anyone else.
The value of an idea has nothing whatsoever to do with the sincerity of the man who expresses it.-Oscar Wilde
If you accept Hanoi Jane's treason you are a traitor like fonda you dishonor everyone you supposedly served with.
Hanoi Jane should hang as the traitor she is...
What have you done for our country that gives you the right to judge people?
"The value of an idea has nothing whatsoever to do with the sincerity of the man who expresses it."--Oscar Wilde
What right do I need?
Only an Imbecile doesn't judge every person and situation they encounter.
Her treason gives me the right as an American to judge her treasonous actions.
and you would have to be
It will take a magistrate to administer justice and hang her.
and your eager acceptance of her treason revokes any right you might have to ask about my patriotic past. My scars speak for my commitment.
Your acceptance of treason speaks for you base treasonous nature.
Just out of curiosity were you VC or NVA in Viet Nam?
I repeat: your posts say much more about you yourself than about Jane Fonda or anyone else.
"The value of an idea has nothing whatsoever to do with the sincerity of the man who expresses it."-Oscar Wilde
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Not that I owe you any reply, but no, I never killed anyone at all. I was a medic, and I carried extra supplies instead of a weapon. When you insult me you insult every man I helped keep alive. Take your self-righteous judgment and cram it up where the sun don't shine. You're pretty brave sitting there typing insults to people you don't even know and spouting baby-talk about "S H I T". Your anal fixation is right out there for all to see. Rock on!
"The value of an idea has nothing whatsoever to do with the sincerity of the man who expresses it."-Oscar Wilde
Take your self-righteous judgment and cram it up where the sun don't shine. You're pretty brave sitting there typing insults to people you don't even know and spouting baby-talk about "S H I T". Your anal fixation is right out there for all to see. Rock on!
Practice what you preach, Queen.
Are you not the same person who is bullying someone else for not sharing your own twisted opinion? Calling harpo less intelligent than everyone else because he/she doesn't like Jane Fonda and prefers not to waste their money on anything she is in?
He has as much a right to say whatever the *beep* he wants to as you do. Who the *beep* are you to try and silence him or even attempt to speak for all Veterans? You are a disgrace to the uniform.
Black Jesus:I rode into town on an ass....Yo mamas ass. share
What you cut and pasted was in response to someone who posted such a vile attack on me personally that they've deleted it since then. You don't know what's going on here, so I'll forgive your ignorance. No, I wasn't bullying Harpo; I was answering him/her, point by point. How do you imagine I can "silence him"?
And I didn't speak for "all Veterans", I spoke for myself. As to whether I'm a "disgrace to the uniform", I'll let my medical aid to injured and sick men in Vietnam speak for itself. Calm down, you'll live longer.
The value of an idea has nothing whatsoever to do with the sincerity of the man who expresses it.-Oscar Wilde
What right do I need?
Only an Imbecile doesn't judge every person and situation they encounter.
I do believe that in the Bible, it says "Judge not, that ye be not judged."
If you believe in Christianity (which it seems that most zealous American 'patriots' do so quite openly) you should realize that the hatred coupled with violent thoughts that you are expressing toward one woman is the exact opposite of the message that Jesus preached about practicing forgiveness. If you've been living all of these years with these kind of hateful thoughts, I can't help but wonder about the darkness of your soul. I sincerely hope that you get some help. share
@harpoj be like the only one who has sex my sister is me....lmao. This guy seriously needs an education. Probably some white trash somewhere down south trying to think he's smart when he's not.
shareNo kidding! Who cares about politics when you are watching a movie - especially a comedy.
sharewould you go see a movie starring ariel castro because it was a comedy? Why not.
next time you see a veteran remember you s h i t on his grave by supporting this treasonous C U N T
S H I T on YOU .. Traitor
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