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An open request to any who may wish to copy this films methods


This is an open request and warning to these or any director/screenwriter/cinematographer who may study and resort to the use of certain techniques used in this film in their future projects.

First, I must apologize to Ms. Berry and Mr Hanks (Ladies first and not a reflection of "Star Billing") Whom I believe will sometimes read IMDB comments of what people are saying about your work as I adore the both of you and greatly admire your talents and don't hold either of you accountable for my following annoyance.

Two weeks ago, in May 2016, I discovered this film by seeing a trailer for it on the Chinese movie "Coming Home." Being a fan of many of the notable stars in this movie, and being that I have been disabled and homebound, since 2001 and will screen approximately 10 movies per week, I was very surprised that I have never heard of it before, and that it premiered 4 years prior to my discovery of it so arranged to have it sent to me in my next Netflix DVD shipment. Now having watched Cloud Atlas several times, I am left with nothing more than confusion and annoyance at this film and "Hollywood" in general. And an understanding why this film has been more or less apparently disavowed as a vehicle for the careers of some otherwise highly notable actors.

Please Please PLEASE... Stop telling stories by way of flashbacks! The use of flashbacks or multiple flashbacks to tell a story has absolutely gotten so old, overused and out of hand, (even in many recent foreign movies I have seen although their names presently escape me,) that I am sure that when future movie historians look back on the early 21st century it will be a very bad reflection of our times that those who were responsible, could not find another way to drive a story without reducing themselves to such an unoriginal overused vehicle. Just because it worked for Forrest Gump and Pvt. Ryan (sorry Mr. Hanks, first movies that came to mind) doesn't mean that we want all our films to follow this path! PLEASE STOP AND DEFINE YOUR CAREER WITH YOUR OWN ORIGINAL WAY TO TELL YOUR STORY!

Second, Almost exactly half way through this film, you had a character (Ms. Berry) say: "You have to do what you can't not do.". Really???? On top of leaving the viewer visually confused from trying to follow along with which time period you are presenting now and trying to remember what you last presented about that time period while you are stitching together your "masterpiece" of utter confusion, now you want to further aurally confuse us and drive our brains into total mental overload??? WTH Dude! I can't deal with double negatives on top of following along with several time periods tossed around like playing cards on the floor! I can understand why.. regardless of the assemblage of such a well-known cast of international screen notables... this movie has been so quietly hidden away, and you blame the length?? Hell, this movie could have been 2 hours shorter or 4 hours longer and still would be a pile of confusion if only because you drive viewers into having to overthink every scene.. From the modified languages, to the flashbacks and the poor lines such as described above that you must have only written in hopes of it becoming a new catchphrase, you overworked the viewer into "switching off" early so as to endure the torture of this movie. Hell, I would almost rather have been the slave tied to the whipping post then to have to sit through this lumpy oatmeal of a waste of terrific talent that this movie became. And don't get me wrong... I adore movies with a message, but not one that makes you work so hard for it or tries to beat you over the head with a "bad poem" instead of just coming out with a clear concise message!

Please Hollywood, stop with the overuse of flashbacks to tell your stories. Wouldn't you rather be known for developing new styles and techniques or are you going to settle for being known as a follower and mediocre mill of tired rehashed and overused style?

Respectfully submitted,

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NOT Hollywood mate

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[Possible spoiler may be in the text below]

Thank you Mr. Burnham for your reply. I am aware that this film was a product of Germany (if I remember correctly, as I have already just this morning returned this disk to Netflix.com, and am awaiting delivery on my Amazon.com purchase of the same, so I can't be sure, although I do remember that it was not a U.S. based production. So please extend me some leeway if I am wrong on production origin.)

I used "Hollywood" in a generic sense to signify the movie industry in general as in the context of my post, It was late at night and suffering from chronic pain issues since 2001 and using Opiate based medication to control that pain, as well as an aggravation/flare-up to my PTSD caused by the violent depictions of both a violent gun murder and the suicide by gun.(I don't do well with up-close depictions of gunshots to the face or head) I just couldn't come up with the appropriate word or phrase at the time to make that point that I was intending. I had assumed (wrongly, as I now am aware as your post would indicate) that by putting the word "Hollywood" in quotations would reinforce that I meant the film industry in general, but I now see that confusion may have further developed by my lack of quotations on my second use of the word.

While I appreciate that you have given feedback to a post on a movie almost 4 years after it's release, in which I really held little hope that anyone would read and only hoped that the studio involved may subscribe to a service that aggregates what is being said about them or their products, but for the most part, I am aware that mine is most likely only seen as a rant and will not be taken seriously. But I write anyway in hopes to catch the ear of somebody that matters, as I believe that it is well beyond time to retire the "flashback" way of telling a story. In my opinion, it has become a joke and a lazy way to deliver a story to viewers. Although eventually on subsequent viewings, I did eventually appreciate and maybe even enjoyed this story as depicted (notice I didn't say I "loved" it), I understand that the book was written chronologically and wish that those involved in translating this book or multiple stories to screen should have followed that way of telling the story/stories.

Mr Burnham, on an unrelated note, I clicked on the link in your reply thinking that it may be relevant to your reply to me, and while I am aware that it may be due to my "color-blindness" (78% deficiency over the red/green Spectrum) I found it very difficult to read anything where you used the color as in the words and phrases "Index 2--->" and "as a separate page" without either changing the color with an app I have to assist color-blind individuals or to ask somebody to read it to me. I know it may be difficult to understand if you yourself are not color-blind, but could you maybe consider in the future using more natural colors in future web designs to assist the one in four male population that have this problem? We would appreciate it! And I look forward to reading your blog after I get a bite to eat and some housework done.

I again Thank You for your reply to my post and I will look into an alternate way of replacing the "Hollywood" reference in my post.

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The author wrote a book to show how Nietzsche's eternal recurrence might work from Darwin to American TEOTWAWKI, and used a unique "mirror image" format.

the movie was tastefully put together to retain that structure.

any American references are purely as satire or "we told you so" Soylent Green wise

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You have a right to your own opinion, of course, but I will make a couple of opposing points.

#1. This is NOT Hollywood. This movie was too "out there" for Hollywood. The directors of this movie had to stitch together funds from several different companies and use their own money as well to get this movie completely funded. This is NOT a typical Hollywood movie, because Hollywood is afraid of doing anything too weird or unconventional and losing the audience. You would be hard pressed to find another movie quite like this one.
It's also not your typical Hollywood movie because it's not a blockbuster, it didn't make much money at the box office, and it is technically an independent film.
The only Hollywood aspect is that they were able to get a couple of well known actors.

#2. This movie literally has no flashbacks. That's seems to be your main complaint, but there are no flashbacks. It is a single story that tells 6 different stories at once. The film weaves in and out of the separate time periods throughout the film. This is to emphasize many themes in the film, including but not limited to: the cyclic nature of humanity, the predatory instinct of humanity, the interconnectedness of humanity, and he ability of one individual to have a significant impact on the world.

It sounds like this movie was not at all your cup of tea though, and that's fine. It was a very divisive movie, and even coming from me, someone who adores the film, I can totally understand why a lot of the film would be off putting for many.

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Exactly my thoughts.

Also about the flashback methods being mentioned like in Forrest Gump and Saving Pvt Ryan, they were all very direct. A scene where an older character recollects events from the past. I understand that it's boring and overused but the concept can still be tuned to be better. An example of it would be like in Memento or Hateful Eight where certain parts of the story hinges on these flashback moments but not entirely depicted in them.

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Agreed! I think they are best used sparingly too, but when used well there's no reason to criticize it. For example, I just saw Finding Dory yesterday, and found that the use of flashbacks was very organically executed and integral to the story being told.

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You didn't get it. You tried, more than once, and you still didn't get it. Instead of asking questions, seeking out other people's opinions, or trying to learn about the story in any way, you decided instead to judge it, the people who made it, the people who acted in it, and anybody involved in film-making in general, because you believe it is their error in film-making that caused you to dislike the film.

You feel bad, because the film makes you feel stupid. You have a VERY high opinion of yourself, so anything or anyone that makes you feel stupid needs to be lashed out at or attacked so that you can maintain your superiority over them.

Just because you didn't understand something does not make you stupid. I am not telling you that you are a stupid person. I do think you'd be better off just admitting that you simply didn't understand something, instead of demanding it be changed so that you CAN understand it.

If, however, you can't do that, because you believe that "it's just the way you are", that's fine. I understand why you are so upset.

But demanding that the world change its ways to adapt to you is just plain silly. "Warning" them is more than a little arrogant. The best you can do is not watch their movies, and/or not give them your money. Which is fine. That's your choice.

Artists should be allowed to express themselves in any way they feel works to convey their message. When an artist changes his or her voice to appease the masses, that artist ceases to become an artist. That artist becomes a puppet.

Next time, just shut it off and pick a different movie. For your own sake.

My thoughts: https://xanderpayne.blogspot.com
My book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01G6OI7HG

You didn't come here to make the choice, you're here to understand why you made it.

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Are you serious with this response? In any movie that is harder than normal to follow or understand, every time somebody asks a question about it on IMDB, they usually get a response like yours that is full of condescension or highly defensive. Several posts for this movie alone have asked for help understanding it, and in return they get some kind of response that will call into question their intelligence, then be told to stick to transformers. I loved the book, so I understood this movie, and still hated it. I think it would have done better as a TV series though, because it could have been decompressed more like the book is. And although he is incorrect about this movie containing flashbacks, I can tell the OP is not an idiot from his syntax and careful attention in his post. If this movie is hard for somebody with an above average IQ to understand, than it must have been grueling for the vast majority of the viewing public. When you create a work of art (as all films are, even the bad ones)that contains too many unconventional devices at once, it becomes too convoluted and hard to follow fast.

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Why would he not be serious with that post?? Suggesting that people ask questions if they don't understand something is not some ridiculous notion. I don't care what website your talking about or what the "normal" response on particular websites is to such action. That will NEVER change the fact that asking questions when you don't understand something is the most logical step to take. Its a thousand times better than resorting to attacking that which you don't understand. Attacking what you don't understand is the actions of the ignorant. And you do realize that IMDB is not the end all be all for websites that deal with films. If someone has had a bad experience asking questions on this website, THEN GO TO A DIFFERENT WEBSITE! There are still PLENTY of websites out there where you can find intelligent discussion on the art of filmmaking.

And while the OP may not be an idiot per se, he certainly doesn't come off as very intelligent in the way of films and the various techniques used to make them as it doesn't take a genius to realize that this film doesn't use a single flashback. Creating a post of that length with the sole purpose of attacking a singular technique in movie making when the film he's attacking doesn't even use that technique is actually quite comical. It basically renders his entire post irrelevant and 100% incorrect. And yes, IMDB is the last place you want to make such a mistake. If your going to come out and attack a film and a particular film making technique, especially in the manner that he did, you best be sure you get it right. Otherwise your just begging the people on IMDB who love attacking people to tee up.

As for the film itself, you do realize that it has a score of 7.5, which is actually a good score on IMDB, and that over 288,000 people voted. That is a decent number of votes and again a quality score for this website. So clearly a lot of people actually enjoyed this film. So to suggest that this film must have been grueling for the vast majority of the viewing public couldn't possibly be more wrong. Films that are widely viewed as "grueling" to watch do not wind up scoring a 7.5 on IMDB especially films that have that large of a sample size (288,000+). Clearly this film wasn't as grueling to watch for the general population as your letting on.

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I thank you.

My thoughts: https://xanderpayne.blogspot.com
My book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01G6OI7HG

You didn't come here to make the choice, you're here to understand why you made it.

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There is no reason to argue. No one is right or wrong in such a matter. Do all people eat sushi? Does every eye appreciate the color orange? Skydiving? Opera? Get the point? Tastes differ. Often this has little to do with education or intelligence. Assuming that all others process information in the same way that you do may...

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PLEASE STOP AND DEFINE YOUR CAREER WITH YOUR OWN ORIGINAL WAY TO TELL YOUR STORY!


Right, if the Wachowskis ever want to become famous for their movies, they'll have to come up with original story-telling methods...

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... Really???? On top of leaving the viewer visually confused from trying to follow along with ...

You really need to learn how to speak for yourself.

While I still pick up new things on subsequent viewings, I was not confused by the story telling or editing the first time through.

Although I don't think it's required for most people watching this film, I believe you might benefit from reading the book. You use the term 'flashback' in a most incorrect way.

The book is basically several stories from different timelines, each told from start to finish, no flashbacks at all. The film simply weaves the different, interconnected stories together, but still not using any kind of flashback technique. It goes back in time when it switches to a story that occurred in the past, but all individual stories progress in a linear fashion from front to back.

Brevity is the soul of wit.

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